Stephen King’s IT 1990: Review

In this episode of HomeBodiesOnly, hosts Jackie and Jeff delve into the 1990 mini-series IT, based on Stephen King's novel. They discuss the film's plot, character development, and the nostalgic elements that resonate with viewers. The conversation also touches on the casting choices, the effectiveness of the score, and the thematic exploration of childhood fears and friendship. As they compare IT to Stand By Me, they reflect on the film's impact on horror culture and share their thoughts on the upcoming prequel series, Welcome to Derry.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Homebodies Only and It

02:24 Overview of Stephen King's IT

10:09 Character Analysis and Casting Choices

14:35 Themes of Fear and Stuttering

23:18 Critique of the Ending and Special Effects

30:31 Nostalgic Reflections on Childhood Adventures

33:31 Exploring Cinematic Techniques and Filmography

36:17 Character Dynamics: Kids vs. Adults

39:39 Comparative Analysis of Film Parts

43:08 Thematic Elements and Symbolism in Horror

48:18 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

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Transcript

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:08)
Hi, this is Jackie, and this is HomeBodiesOnly where we welcome all bodies to join us as we break down and dissect HBO Max series. And this episode I am talking about along with a guest co-host, my guest co-host is Jeff Kadlic I'll go into him in a second, but we are talking about Stephen King's IT from 1990. It was a made for TV mini series and is actually streaming on HBO at the moment.

And the reason we are talking about this is because HBO is going to have a new series called Welcome to Derry which is the prequel to IT starting at the end of October, and we will be covering it. ⁓ Diana did not want to do the show. She's not into horror at all. At all. And Jeff has, you know, he has major connections with this podcast. He wrote the

Jeff (00:55)
Not into horror stuff.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:04)
intro and outro music to this podcast as well as my other podcast MADE with Jackie Hanzl. He has been on that podcast so you should definitely check him out on there. You were on two episodes. Yes.

Jeff (01:18)
That's right, yeah.

The Twin Peaks one, just, while you and I were chatting, I just finished watching that with my daughter. I did the whole first, or season one and two, it was good.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:25)
yeah. Wow.

Yeah, yeah, awesome. Awesome. Your daughter, just so people know, how old is she now? 16, yes. Yeah, my son's 10. I would not watch Twin Peaks with him. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff (01:31)
was a good watch.

16. Mm-hmm.

No, yeah, yeah, was,

yeah, was the right time.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:47)
Yeah. So this movie was based on the 1986 novel of the same name. I can't believe that it only was like four years after the book. I don't know why I thought it was longer than that, but whatever. It was.

Jeff (02:00)
Wait, what are

you going do come out?

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:03)
The book, said 1986 and this movie was 1990. Yeah. Like I said, it was a two-part made for TV, ABC mini-series, directed by Tommy Lee Wallace and adapted by Lawrence D. Cohen. So the story takes place in 1960, revolves around a predatory monster that can transform itself into its prey's worst fears to devour them, allowing...

Jeff (02:05)
86 wow okay

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:28)
it to exploit the phobias of its victims, ⁓ mostly takes the humanoid form of Pennywise, an eldritch clown. ⁓ The protagonists are, they call themselves the Lucky Seven or the Losers Club. It's a group of outcast kids who discover Pennywise and vow to kill him by any means necessary. And the series takes place over two different time periods. The first, when the Losers first confront Pennywise as children and...

in 1960 and the second when they return as adults in 1990 to defeat him a second time after he resurfaces. I'll just go through the cast. Yes, I have this written down. have to read it. Bill Denbrough as the adult is Richard Thomas. He is from The Waltons. He was John Boy. I never watched that show ever. Did you?

Jeff (03:05)
Mmm.

Okay, so I didn't do a historical deep dive with these actors, but as soon as you said that, I was like, okay, that's where he's from. I never watched that show either, but now, okay, I get it. I was like, who is this dude? The Waltons. Okay, we're gonna have to check out an episode just to...

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:30)
Yeah, that's race run. Nah.

Good night, John boy. mean, if you're. Yeah, John boy, yeah. The Waltons, yeah.

Jeff (03:48)
Go down memory lane, I guess.

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:48)
Yeah.

I don't know. I remember trying to watch that. Like I loved Little House on the Prairie. I don't think it was the same, but maybe it was the same time period, but Little House on the Prairie was like awesome. And I think I tried to watch the Waltons and I was like, I don't know. I don't remember it. And I just remember not liking it. The child who played him was Jonathan. I think it's pronounced Brandis or Brandis. I think it's Brandis. Brandis. Okay. I mean, there's no E at the end. Yeah. Sorry.

Jeff (04:00)
Mmm. Mmm.

Brandis I think. Well, actually, I don't really know. Yeah, let's go with that. I

liked him. thought he was really good in the role. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:18)
They, yeah, my God.

And they looked alike too. It was, yeah. Beverly Marsh, the adult was Annette O'Toole. She looked, I didn't write anything she's done, because I don't think I recognize stuff, but she was so familiar. I definitely saw her in a million things. I don't know. ⁓

Jeff (04:23)
Yeah, that's good casting.

Yeah,

that's funny because I feel like that name is just so such a recognizable name and in, you know, film or TV. And I had no idea that was her ever. I just didn't. Yeah, the name is very it's just like kind of like omnipresent. It's just always there.

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:45)
Yeah.

Right! Yes, I've seen the name, right? But didn't realize it was her.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. The Child is played by Emily Perkins. She did do some more things, but again, I don't think I knew any of them. They looked a lot alike. Like that was crazy. Yeah. Ben Hanscom, Hanscom ⁓ is played by John Ritter as the adult Three's Company. I mean, my gosh, obviously. My sister was obsessed with Three's Company and they'd have the reruns on. I've probably seen every single episode because of her.

Jeff (05:11)
Yeah.

Yeah, that show was so fun.

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:29)
And at the time it stressed me out.

Three's Company stressed me out so much back then. They always got into uncomfortable situations. I was like...

Jeff (05:35)
Well, yeah, yeah,

it was kind of a sort of a manic kind of like coked out vibe on that show or something. You know, it was heightened.

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:47)
Yeah, yeah. The child actor was Brandon Crane. He had been, I think at the time he was actually doing a lot of stuff, but he was in the Wonder Years and that's where I knew him from. I think he was doing at that time though, he was kind of like, I feel like he was in commercials at that time, but I don't know if he was in any other big shows, but the Wonder Years, that was my obsession. So yes, he was in the Wonder Years. Richie Tozer.

the adult is Harry Anderson from Night Court and I'm sure many other things but you didn't write you didn't remember Night Court that's so funny yeah

Jeff (06:15)
⁓ my God, okay. yeah. No, no, I love Night Court but that was

the other one. Cause I just was like, I just want to watch it and talk about it. I didn't want to like go do all the research, ⁓ I just could not think of where that guy was from. And I used to love Night Court I watched it all the time.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:25)
Yeah, I was gonna find the info for you.

Yeah. Yeah, me too. ⁓ my God.

Yep. The child is Seth Green. ⁓ I hope you recognize him. He's been in so many things.

Jeff (06:42)
Well,

yeah, that was a record scratch moment for me. was like, what? Like ⁓ Seth Green is in this? was like, and somehow he looked like exactly the same like 30 years later. I'm like, well, this is so weird.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:49)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. Yes, he does. So what

he was, he was actually in one of my favorite teen movies, Can't Hardly Wait. Jennifer Love Hewitt was in it. It's just one of those movies. You watch it over and over. Yes, and you find like the funniest things. Like what me, me and one of my friends. What the heck was that? It's a high school movie. They just are graduating. The girl from, oh my God, what was?

Jeff (07:07)
Yeah, that's a big one.

It's like a high school movie, right?

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:23)
What was the HBO show about the funeral home? Tell me you watched that. Thank you. Girl from the Redhead, the youngest daughter was in it. That movie is awesome if you have not seen that and you can watch it over and over and find all different funny things throughout it. So good, so good. you have to watch it. Eddie Kasprack was adult was Dennis Christopher. ⁓ I...

Jeff (07:26)
six feet under.

Yeah.

I've seen bits and pieces for sure

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:50)
don't know what he was from. I must've looked him up, but I've definitely seen him in so many things, but I don't know if when they listed the things, I didn't recognize anything, because I didn't list anything with him. ⁓

Jeff (08:03)
Adult

Christopher. Is that what you just said?

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:06)
No,

no, no, no, Eddie, the characters Eddie Kaspbrak he's the one with the asthma.

Jeff (08:11)
⁓ yeah, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:13)
And the

adult is Dennis Christopher, the actor who, the guy looks so familiar to me, but I don't think I recognized the movies he was in or something, because I didn't write them down. ⁓ The child was played by Adam, Freisel. He was apparently, this kid was in Robocop 2. I never saw Robocop, any of them. So I don't know. That's something he was in.

Jeff (08:19)
He does.

Thank

I missed Robocop 2. I saw the first one though.

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:39)
Okay.

Mike Hanlon, the adult was Tim Reid.

I've seen him in a million things, I don't think I recognize, like I don't think anything I recognized. ⁓ And then the child was Marlon Taylor. I don't think Marlon Taylor has done a lot. ⁓ Stanley Uris was played, the adult was Richard Masur. He's been in, I don't know, he's been in a lot of things. He's the one who kills himself in the bathtub. He's been in so many things.

Jeff (08:50)
Yeah.

Oh yeah, yeah, I thought of a movie,

I've seen him in things before. Yeah, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:07)
He was in a lot of stuff. He was just

one of those actors. The child was played by Ben Heller. Again, I don't think he done a ton. He done. He done a ton of stuff. He did a ton stuff. he was cute kid though. Yeah, he was a cute kid. Like I hate to say, I don't think Richard Masur is. He's okay, but like not really. The kid was a cuter kid than the adult.

Jeff (09:18)
You

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:32)
Sorry, but Georgie, who's the most adorable little boy ever was played by a guy named Tony Dakota. And apparently he had been in 21 Jump Street when he got older.

Jeff (09:37)
Mmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:45)
Okay.

Jeff (09:46)
Hanging out with Johnny Depp and what's his name ⁓ who's that other dude? Richard Grieco or something? Wasn't he on that show?

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:48)
Yeah, but yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Richard,

I loved, it was Richard Grieco. my God, I forgot about him. I was in love with him. I was in love with Richard Grieco. And my favorite, like I liked him more than Johnny Depp. That's all I know. But Johnny Depp went, yeah, went further. Okay. I have some facts. I'm not gonna call them fun facts, cause they're not, a lot of them are not very fun. Well, some of them are, like the first one.

Jeff (10:00)
Rico. Wasn't he on 21 Drum Sea? Yeah, a lot of girls were.

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:20)
Jonathan Brandis who plays young Bill, killed himself in 2003. He was 27 years old. He had went into a depression after scenes from this movie that he did, it was called Hart's War, got cut. I guess he was like, he did a lot of acting and then he was trying to revive his, I mean, 27, trying to like revive his acting career. He was so happy. And then a lot of scenes got cut that he was in. He was alcoholic, it sounded like.

Jeff (10:20)
Really?

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:50)
actually. Yeah, I was like, no, because like, I looked him up and I'm why do I feel like why didn't he do more things because he was such a good actor. Anyway, so that was upsetting. ⁓

Jeff (10:50)
⁓ man.

Yeah,

he gave me like Young River Phoenix vibes. I mean, I'm not going to say that he had, you know, same kind of like on-screen presence or stardom or whatever you call it, you know, that River Phoenix had, but kind of in that zone though, he had that vibe.

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:05)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Really good. ⁓ Jim Carrey was originally considered for the part of Eddie, the guy with the asthma. ⁓ It was nominated for two Emmy Awards, one Eddie Award, which I don't know what that is, one Youth and Film Award and a best miniseries recognition from the People's Choice Awards. It won two of the nominations, an Emmy Award for Outstanding Music Composition for Richard Bellis's

score and an Eddie Award for the mini-series editing. so obviously an Eddie Award. Yeah, I know, I know. I know, I had issues with the score too. Yeah.

Jeff (11:53)
The score, okay, all right. I got a couple of issues with that right now. So the score,

it got an award for the score and the editing. First of all, this movie, I was like, how much longer is this movie?

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:09)
But back then, oh my God,

yeah. Well, we, yeah. Also, I felt like the music was the part that dated it. Like, obviously their clothes in 1990, their outfits and stuff, but I felt like that, that's something with the sound. But maybe back then it was better. I don't know.

Jeff (12:30)
Yeah, yeah, I don't, well

there's, there's a lot of stuff that was done back then that's good though. ⁓ And it still holds up.

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:37)
Right, that's true. That's true. Yeah,

I know. didn't, I don't know. ⁓ I guess this movie spawned an Indiegogo-funded documentary film, which I should, I want to watch, about the mini-series production titled Pennywise, the story, colon, the story of It from 2020. They made it 2020. And an alternate history sequel short named Georgie, also by the producers of the documentary.

David Alan Greer was initially considered for the role of Mike Hanlon before Reid was cast. So I thought that was interesting. Yeah. I just want to say, which I think I told Jeff this, I recorded this on my VCR. I remember because I was so excited for it. I don't know why. I actually do not think I read the book. I thought I did, but I don't think I did. I don't remember. Okay.

Jeff (13:10)
⁓

I didn't read this

book, no.

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:29)
I must have seen the previews must have got me. don't know. I was very excited about this movie. was 15 we were 15 years old. It came out in 1990. ⁓ And I remember it was a two-nighter and I obviously was not staying up till 11 o'clock because it was probably the nine o'clock movie. It went two hours because the commercials. So they had two parts and I did record it on my VCR. I remember really liking the first half more than the second half.

Jeff (13:37)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:58)
And I do think the same now. ⁓ I just can't get over the casting with how much the kids look like the adults. I just thought that was very impressive. Especially Bev. Like Bev looked... That was crazy to me. Like, I don't

Jeff (14:02)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah,

they both, portrayal of the character by both the actresses, ⁓ actors ⁓ was like just so on point and very similar, know, like it almost could have been the same, you know, little girl that grew up and did this 30 years later or whatever. That worked well for me for sure.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:24)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, definitely. ⁓ Bill's especially Jonathan Brandis' stutter was portrayed very accurately. I'm a speech pathologist. ⁓ And I did read something that he said, that was really hard for him. Like he really worked hard on that. Cause like you don't want it to seem.

Jeff (14:52)
Mmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:04)
over exaggerated. You want to make it realistic. And there are certain patterns with stutters and he was really, really good. ⁓ it was terrible though, how much like even his friends were like, come on, you're stuttering. Like you can't control it. I mean, you learn strategies to control it, but if obviously he could control it, he wouldn't stutter. I mean, obviously that's just how it, especially more so back then, probably than now, you know, but they're just like,

Jeff (15:27)
It's terrible.

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:35)
come on. ⁓

Jeff (15:37)
It's like the flinching thing back in the day when you like, it's so bad. you know, you found the kid, I didn't do this, but I would, I saw this happening on like other kids. you would target them. Well, just like you'd be like watch him flinch, you know, and somebody like pull up their fist and they'd be like, and then the kid would flinch, you know, and you just like gotta make it, it was like, that's so terrible. So mean. Yeah, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:51)
Two for flinching.

Yeah.

Yeah, so mean, so mean. Kids are, well, they're still mean. They're still mean.

Maybe not as bad though, I hope. Well, another ways now. I always remembered, "my heart burns there too". I always remembered that line. I don't think I totally remembered it was from this movie till that scene happened. And I was like, my God. Like I totally remembered that. And I remember it would be in my head. I actually thought it was from Wonder Years, but I remember that.

Jeff (16:18)
Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:29)
I remember that line and I was like, my God. ⁓ John Ritter's outfit was just like the best, the leather vest and the jeans.

Jeff (16:40)
yeah, he had some like, I was like,

⁓ he's, he's going like a little Kenny Rogers or something like he didn't have, he had a beard, right? He had a beard in this. He had a little beard, but the.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:48)
I think he little beard. think he had cowl-

he had also like boots on with heels. Like there were full on heels happening. That outfit. Yes.

Jeff (16:54)
Yeah, he had some brown cowboy boots on, a black leather vest. I don't know

why this caught my attention, but Bill, adult Bill, did you notice? So he's got like serious ponytail game in this. of course it was, but ⁓ it's kind of its own character in the movie. was like, this thing has got, it's taken up a lot of mental real estate.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:09)
That was fake. That was a fake ponytail. Yes, okay.

haha

Jeff (17:23)
for me when it's on screen. I'm like, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:23)
He kept looking at it. Well, because didn't

the layers like his hair layers were...

Jeff (17:32)
But I noticed ⁓ he's got it tied or whatever, wardrobe has it tied in, ⁓ it's like a leather shoelace. It's like a piece of leather. I was like, ⁓ okay. I'd never seen that before. Yeah, somebody, was not by accident, for sure.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:42)
⁓ yeah!

I wonder who made that decision. That is, that no,

and that was, that's high maintenance. Like in real life, if you were doing that, you're not untying that and tying that. You're like, that's annoying.

Jeff (18:01)
No. Yeah,

I would think that's, you have to commit. Anyway.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:06)
That's really funny. ⁓ did you notice?

Jeff (18:09)
John Ritter's phone, his

massive phone in the car, like, it's like, I am on one of those phones.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:17)
I

I know. I think that's why the adult part was kind of... Well, there were other parts with the second half with the adults who also made it kind of cheesy and took away from like the scary because the style like it's like 1960 style. It's 1960 style. To me, that will never look bad. I love that look. It's just classic. You're like not like, oh my God, what are they wearing? You're like, they look cool. They just look cool. And

Jeff (18:25)
Thank

Mmm, yeah.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:47)
1990s, like, ⁓ Bev's outfit, she's like wearing a full suit, you know, she changes into jeans to go fight the monster. just want to match up. She pulls the jeans off. She was wearing like a skirt and heels and like pantyhose.

Jeff (18:48)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, so there's some funny wardrobe changes in this movie. I noticed that too. ⁓ So Mike, in the second installment, ⁓ Bill goes to visit, this is one of my favorite scenes, when Bill goes to visit Mike at the library for the first time. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:06)
I don't know.

Jeff (19:34)
the the So they take off out of there that's also where I noticed the leather hair tie but the So they take off over there and they go to like Mike's house and then he presents him with his own old bike ⁓ And I have those names right don't know no, no, that's like the middle ⁓ that's like the beginning of the second installment like when Yeah, yeah when Bill

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:50)
⁓ yeah. At the end, at the end, right?

with beginning.

All right. I'm sorry.

Jeff (20:04)
when Bill the writer with the ponytail. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he ⁓ gave the first stop he makes is pretty much he goes to see Mike at the library. So and they get talking and then they go over to Mike's house and Mike says, Hey, look what I found. And he shows him. He's like, I found it at a pawn shop. It's your old bike, you know, and, you know, I love vintage bikes and stuff, but so

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:06)
Yeah, yeah, no, I know what you're talking about, yeah.

Yes, okay, okay, yeah.

⁓ yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Jeff (20:34)
That struck a chord with me. But so, so the wardrobe thing, so he leaves him with the bike and Bill goes into the shed and finds some tools that he starts, starts, ⁓ you know, working on the bike. And then Mike's like, he's like, all right, I'm going to go, ⁓ I'm going to go change into something else. And, and like, they do a couple of shots of Bill working on the bike and then Mike comes out and which is the beginning of this montage scene of them riding the bike.

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:47)
right.

Jeff (21:03)
in the 60s and then they start doing it now. But Mike comes out and he's got like a more dressed up version of himself. Like he's got a suit coat on with the leather pads on the elbows. I thought he was gonna put like ⁓ maybe a collar shirt on it, some jeans or something. And he's like, I thought that was great. So yeah, there's some wardrobe stuff going on in this thing.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:04)
yes, yes. my God, I forgot about that part.

Like I said, I'm gonna change into something more comfortable.

Right, right. That's awesome. I didn't even know it.

Yeah, also, did you notice, I don't know if you noticed this, when they covered Henry Bauer's body, the bully kid who went crazy and ended up in the insane asylum, his hair turned white. Had hair as Sarah turned white. When they covered the body, was blonde. I actually went back and rewatched it. I like, what happened? They messed up. It was like yellow blonde. So I don't know. Also, I just have to note, good thing it went down to five of them because

Jeff (21:40)
yeah. Yeah.

⁓ really? Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:56)
Tozier, they couldn't have all fit in Tozier's car. So Tozier had the convertible and like basically the one guy had killed himself. And then Mike Hanlon was hurt in the hospital and the five of them like pile into the convertible to go fight and they would not have fit. Yes, that's it. They would not fit in there if they were six or seven. So I thought that was good.

Jeff (22:10)
The IROC-Z

No, no that was that's a very

very very of the time car ⁓ Yeah, the Camaro IROC-Z Yeah

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:22)
Yeah.

I remember thinking Audra, Bill's ⁓ wife there, you know, in London was so beautiful. I remember watching that. I was like, I want to look like her. I thought she was so beautiful back when I first saw her. So and very classy, like, and I just remember being like, and she's she still is. ⁓

Jeff (22:37)
Mmm.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:51)
Do you want to talk about the spider thing?

That really killed it for me. I don't think I was scared of it the first time around.

Jeff (22:56)
⁓

Well...

I didn't remember

that. then getting to the end of the movie, was like, wait a minute. Like, this is the payoff. This is what we're getting.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:10)
I, yeah,

I definitely have blocked it out. I remember not loving the ending, like thinking, I just remembered liking the first part. And then I was like, I do remember. Like, I think I blocked it out, because I thought it was terrible. Like, I remember the webs and then like, once they started to show it. And ⁓ that, I mean, that took away from it so much for me. Why was his real form?

Jeff (23:26)
Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:39)
a spider. Like, I... That was so lame to me. Maybe in the book it's scarier. I bet.

Jeff (23:41)
Yeah, I don't understand.

I didn't understand that either. like, I guess they just had to find a way to wrap it up, you know, like, because it's...

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:58)
Well, him saying, but I wonder if the

book, if they based it off the book, I assume in the book he takes a spider form, but he keeps saying, he kept saying they all float. So like, are they all up? Yeah, are they all up? And that's true. I should have looked into that. But he's a demon, make him a demon. And like they could rip his heart out, which when they were like, like when they were attacking the thing, literally, to me,

Jeff (24:08)
Not necessarily.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:28)
looked like they were taking a fake toy thing and like, it was terrible.

Jeff (24:33)
Yeah, it

was like a bouncy ball activity or something. They were all like...

you know like the gestures and stuff I was like ⁓ this is not very ⁓ heroic and risky looking it's like I don't know yeah it's that

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:50)
No, it's so stupid. That

really killed me. I was like...

Jeff (24:57)
The special effects and because they lean into that a lot in this, feel like with the photo book with the blood and It going down the drain and he's like, woo, see you later, know, like that whole thing.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:08)
Blood,

That I found out was like, I mean, you could tell,

but like it's claymation. And they did like stop motion for it and stuff. like when he, yeah, when he comes out of the shower and he moves it, that's like apparently clay. But yeah, and him like going down the drain, like he was like a clay.

Jeff (25:24)
Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah, that stuff, hand, his hand out of the photo album. And I kind of, I kind of felt bad for Tim Curry at times.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:33)
You

Jeff (25:50)
I don't know. just, I was like, man, they, he has some, he has some good lines and then he has some, you know, like some here and there, but a lot of the stuff I'm like, man, they didn't really give him much to work with. Like he's, he's telling, ⁓ when, ⁓ what's, ⁓ Seth Green's adult counterpart, ⁓ yeah, Richie Tozier. Yeah. So when he's running out of the library and, and then you have.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:54)
He was, he was very good.

Richie Tozier? ⁓ Harry Anderson. Harry Anderson.

Jeff (26:20)
He's telling the refrigerator running joke and stuff. I'm like, ⁓ Is your refrigerator running? I guess maybe that was a new joke then or something? I'm like, that's not menacing or scary. Why is that happening?

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:33)
the die.

I know, he was like, yeah.

Jeff (26:39)
Kind of weird.

So there's some just off beat things at times. I was like, that doesn't mix with the tone so well that I think they're trying to go with.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:47)
No.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I thought Tim Curry did a good job and ⁓ I did think he was creepy. I did watch the new, aren't there two new ones of It Now? I think there's a sequel. I watched the first one in the theater. It was really kind of just by like convenience. We were like, let's go to a movie and it was playing, but it's not my thing. It's really actually not my thing to go to horror movies. Cause I actually

Jeff (27:06)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:17)
I don't get super scared. more like, I want the psychological thrillers. All I remember is he had 5 million rows of teeth and it was okay. Like to me, it was just like, are you really? How many rows of teeth does he have? Like stop. That didn't scare, that didn't seem scary to me at all. So this one, I mean, he's definitely creepy. ⁓ I was going to say too, I also liked like when they were attacking the spider, they show the shadow of them. They show like them.

Jeff (27:21)
Yeah.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, on the wall there.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:49)
That's where

the music should have been better, I think. I think the music could have helped make it scarier, I thought. I don't, mean, I don't remember specifically what was, but I just remember being like, what? I don't know. ⁓

Jeff (27:53)
out.

Yeah. Yeah.

It

didn't sound like a very big budget score to me. There's definitely a lot of synthesizer, and not that you can't do great things with synthesizers, but ⁓ I guess there were some strings and stuff. I'm surprised that it won an award for that. ⁓ mean, what else? In what category exactly? I don't know. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:10)
Hmm, no.

Yeah.

Yeah, right. Made for TV, mini series,

horror based off of a book. Very specific. That's what they did. ⁓ Best score

Jeff (28:36)
Yeah, yeah.

When I was getting through this, I was like, yeah, this definitely feels like an after school special kind of thing. In what year are we in? 35 years later. But I mean, yeah, like you, I  remember being really excited to watch this and like totally captivated by it.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:49)
Yes, it did. Yeah.

Right.

Jeff (29:05)
when I was 15, it was like a big deal, you know?

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:07)
Yeah, it was,

it was a big deal. I think because it was specifically made, well, I mean, I know they had other ones made for TV, but this just seemed like it was really taking like a movie that would be in the theaters and they were putting it on TV. So I thought that was cool. ⁓ Next, just have, I have my favorite scenes. I actually have like three.

Jeff (29:24)
Mmm.

Okay, I got a couple scenes.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:34)
You do. Do you want to do, want to go first? ⁓

Jeff (29:36)
Well, you have more than I, so you, well, I actually already

told you one, it was the, it was the, well, I could go into it a little bit more, but the.

When yeah, when when Mike gave Bill his old bike, I just thought that was really cool and We have nice music cue there, I think it's maybe the only one it was a Temptations I think ⁓ was Yeah, the the the you know, the the montage of the 60s and the modern day stuff and and the it was classic motown song, you know, but

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:51)
Yeah.

Yes, when they went to ride the bike.

Mm-hmm.

Jeff (30:16)
⁓ you know, but that, that's when I sort of, ⁓ the music, think maybe began to wear on the score, wear on me a little bit. Cause when that came on, it was like, ⁓ cool. This is a, this really works well. You know, like I was kind of, what was I missing or something? But, that, ⁓ yeah, I just, I just love that scene because, ⁓ you know, like the way they, put it together.

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:29)
Yeah, yeah. Right, right.

Jeff (30:45)
To me at least it's kind of exactly how it would play out in real life and then even with the cards I don't know. Did you do that when you're a with your bicycle put the cards?

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:53)
yeah, you know what? don't think, I might

have a little, but it wasn't like a thing, but I rode my bike. That's a ton. Like, I was, I watched it with my son and he was like, what? I said, that was a thing because it makes a noise. And he was like, he had no idea.

Jeff (31:00)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that was

like the greatest thing. And that was a great old Schwinn cruiser bike too, And I gotta give them props. did the adult actors did the teeter totter thing. I was like, oh, nice, okay. I think those are too wide if you fall off that at the wrong time, it's probably not gonna be too good. So I did like that scene. That definitely pulled at my heartstrings a little bit.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:11)
Yeah.

Mmm.

Right.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm. Anything else?

Jeff (31:39)
⁓ not for that one. I have another one, but you go now.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:42)
Okay. I actually really liked kind of all the scenes when they were in the woods. I just liked the filmography of it and that just, it was a little standby me-ish like feel to that. ⁓ And I just, I lived in the woods as a kid. I either was on my bike or I was in the woods. And I just, loved those parts. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff (31:52)
Yeah.

Me too, that spot was really cool. With

all the lily pads and the pond and stuff and just that. Yeah, was exactly the type of spot you'd hang out. You're like, this is my spot, man. We hang out here. Nobody else hangs out. That was awesome.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:05)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah. Yep. They were like building a dam.

Yeah.

Jeff (32:18)
Do you know what, so I couldn't figure out what the structure was on the other side of the pond. I was like, what is that? Yeah, I was like, is this part of like the town's like dam and the water system? I never, I was like, this is making me feel ⁓ very uninformed because I don't know like what this building is, but it's.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:25)
that they kept looking at.

I don't know. I was gonna say that, they don't explain it. At all, right?

Jeff (32:47)
It was really cool and kinda creepy as well. So, there you go.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:47)
No, I don't know either. Yeah. And creepy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't

know. Yeah. I did write down the shower heads in the locker room. think I... don't know why, when all the shower heads were coming out. I don't know. I think that it actually made me laugh a little bit, but I did like it. But what drove me crazy was that, why didn't he just leave the shower? He could have.

Jeff (33:03)
yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:16)
The showers were not blocking him from leaving and that really bothered me too. So I don't know if it was a favorite scene, but that did bother me, part. He seemed like he could have left.

Jeff (33:24)
Yeah, yeah,

that one, yep, I felt the same way. Same exact way. was like, there's nobody in here who's got plenty of opportunity to go wherever he needs to go, except there.

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:29)
Yeah.

Yep, yep. when he falls, he looks like

he's gonna fall out the door, but he just falls into a shower stall. I was like, or something. I was like, what's happening?

Jeff (33:46)
Yes, yes. There's one other... I was kind of laughing when... ⁓ It's a cut scene from uh current day And... I don't remember the sequences, but ⁓ it's Seth Green, and he's got his... They're hanging out at their spot ⁓ in the woods, you know, in the 60s by the sewer.

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:14)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (34:16)
plant or whatever it is. And he's like got his head down and they do like a really long camera shot. And I just feel like, I'm like, that is like one of the worst pieces of acting I've ever seen because like, it's literally like somebody just said, just put your head on the side and don't move. You know, and like, you had to hold him in which he probably did.

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:17)
Yeah.

Jeff (34:44)
You know, I was like, and he's got this like dead, you know, dull in the eye, like, he's just like staring out. I'm like, stop. Like stop that. It was really bothering me. But sorry, I don't know. I have so many different feelings about this movie, but because I feel like a lot of the, a lot of the.

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:59)
No, that's right. No, it's funny.

Jeff (35:15)
Acting with the kids like the chemistry that ensemble had I thought was really pretty great For the most part and I think it was it was better than the adult crew

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:21)
Yeah.

Yeah, I think so too. Yeah.

Jeff (35:31)
It felt like when the adult actors were together, just, it just didn't gel as much on screen.

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:35)
as much.

yeah. I just thought of something too. I remember back then, so John Ritter playing Jack Tripper on Three's Company was like goofy and funny and all that stuff. And I remember if I would ever see him play a serious part, I couldn't take him totally seriously. And I remember, and the way he'd be like, Bev, like, it just seemed like he was overly dramatic. And I was like, come on.

Jeff (35:55)
⁓ yeah.

Yeah, maybe that's what it

was.

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:04)
Stop

it, like stop, you're Jack Tripper. ⁓

Jeff (36:07)
Yeah,

that was a huge departure for him. I mean, I don't know that's the first dramatic thing that he did, but then like, yeah, he was just, I mean, that show was so popular, Three's Company, and him on it.

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:11)
I just remember it being so hard for me. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, so I remember always being like, I can't

take him seriously. Like I couldn't take him seriously. ⁓ When Bev says the poem though, as adults back when she says it to Ben and she says it to him, I actually did get chills. I did like that part a lot. I am a cheese ball. Yeah. I like the poem. Yeah.

Jeff (36:34)
⁓ no, I like that tie-in. That tie-in is cool.

Can we talk about...? You talking about Bev's dad? Like, young Bev? I'm like, who? This is like the worst guy ever.

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:41)
What?

my god. Yeah.

I know. Yeah.

Jeff (36:53)
He's like, he's got the bulging eyes. He's like, I think about it quite a lot. I mean, he was great. But I was like, dude, this guy's terrible. Like, I feel so bad that she has to live with him. Like, where's her mom? Did they talk about her? And they have a really weird chair, or whether chairs like it behind her is really weird. It's got like this two different

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:08)
I know. I know, we don't know that. She's dead. I'm sure the book goes into it.

Jeff (37:22)
Fabrics and ones like red and yellow and it like it looks it's like the group. That's a really weird chair. I don't know

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:29)
Well, they were poor.

Weren't they poor? And does it Mike Hanlon lives in the poor part of town still or something?

Jeff (37:36)
⁓ yeah.

Yeah. I guess, I guess so. mean, I didn't get the impression that her family was poor, but maybe, maybe they were.

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:45)
Yeah,

well they said, ⁓ was it when Bill...

When they're adults, he says something about the poor part of town. He's like, yeah, I live here. Like, Mike Hanlon is like, yeah, I live here. yeah. ⁓

Jeff (37:56)
Yeah.

Yeah.

The... I forgot, I just lost my train of thought about... ⁓ it's, yeah, it's... I guess the whole thing really, it looks kind of like... Particularly when they go down into the sewer at the end, you know, like I guess the close out the third act of the part one. And I guess all that era stuff, it's pretty like...

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:08)
Sorry.

Mm-hmm.

Jeff (38:32)
like grimy and kind of like dingy some of the stuff. I that sewer area for sure was. was like that's they probably just I don't know they just may have found that obviously they I don't think I think they built it but it you know it was if I think it as a set piece it probably they were stoked when they found that but the the but yeah like her apartment and stuff and like the houses like it did feel

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:37)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Right. Yeah.

Hahaha

Jeff (39:01)
⁓ grainy you know like and it doesn't like like yeah yeah like things don't look like that today even when they go for that look they don't have the same ⁓ feeling somehow

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:03)
Yeah, cold, was dank and cold and not warm and I think, you know.

Yeah,

yeah, it just didn't feel like a very warm town at all. You know, even. Right?

Jeff (39:24)
No, what's Maine is kind of cold up there, isn't it?

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:32)
Yeah. Yeah, so I guess we ask, did it hold up?

Jeff (39:40)
⁓

Wow, that's a good question. I don't think it did for me. I don't think it did. It's kind of like, although I don't know if it's because I knew we were gonna be doing this or if it resonated with me, but I definitely was thinking about it a lot when I wasn't watching it. After I watched it and I was thinking about...

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:48)
I don't think it did either.

Jeff (40:13)
what I had watched and the different eras and the story. And I was definitely a little confused about the, you know, the spider thing at the end. And, and, and I was.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:15)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (40:32)
I thought the payoff at the end of part one was much more vibey and cool and kind of psychologically, you know, just, you know, did the horror thing a little better with the... When the kid gets pulled into the tube and his legs go up to his chin, you know? I was like, that's a pretty cool effect. I like that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:43)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah,

I remember that. Like, I was like, yeah, I remember this part. And it creeped, I thought it was creepy. I remember thinking it was creepy. Yeah, from being so scared. Yeah.

Jeff (41:05)
pretty wild you know when the dude's hair turned white and like that ⁓

and I liked the the perforated tube with the you know with the lights ⁓ coming through it down into the sewer like that was that was pretty neat ⁓ but I don't ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (41:17)
Yes. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep.

Jeff (41:29)
I guess it's the second half with the like it's something about like that crew like it just seems like it doesn't work for me as well. You know, like it, like I guess.

Jacqueline Hanzl (41:32)
second half for me too.

Yeah.

Jeff (41:44)
I they could have, I mean, it wouldn't have been, I guess, true to the book, but you could have just wrapped it up with the first part because it ends there. They're just like, if he ever comes back, you have to promise the lucky seven, they all promise together. And that could have been it, but.

Jacqueline Hanzl (41:52)
I know, I remember liking the first part.

Yeah.

Jeff (42:06)
No, they had to do part two. ⁓ They went through it. So you didn't

Jacqueline Hanzl (42:12)
Yep.

Yeah, I feel like it didn't either. No,

and at first I thought, like I remember when I started to watch it, I was like, oh yes, this is so good, this is so good. And then I'm like, and I didn't want that to blind me either, like the nostalgia for it. And I don't think it did. It was definitely that I really loved the first half. In fact too, watching it with Donovan, obviously who never watched it and knew nothing about it, he said the same thing. He liked the first part much better with the kids. Yeah.

Jeff (42:26)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Okay,

yeah, I was gonna ask you like what was his impression of just the tone of it and like the special effects and things and like, how do you think he was he like, wow, what is this?

Jacqueline Hanzl (42:48)
Huh.

He jumped like when the, no,

he wasn't, not too bad. he, again, I think he really liked the first half and he did jump like when Pennywise would do stuff or like opened his mouth. He would, I saw him like jump a little and stuff. So I think it scared him, not to the point of like a nightmare or anything. Yeah, he didn't like the spider. He was like, he said that he's like, it should have been a demon. It should have been like more of like a spirit type thing. ⁓

Jeff (43:08)
Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (43:21)
which I thought too. ⁓

Jeff (43:23)
Yeah, it gave it a...

It was just like a monster of the week kinda campy thing to this. I definitely...

Jacqueline Hanzl (43:29)
Yeah. Yeah.

He looked like a turtle

from underneath too, like when they were having it go over him and it looked like a turtle or a crustacean.

Jeff (43:40)
Yeah, like they created all

this atmosphere and mood throughout it. It's definitely a slow burn kind of thing. I liked watching some of that, it does, at whatever that is, over 180 minutes, it's kind of long. It was over three hours. ⁓ And then to have that be the payoff was just like, hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (43:45)
Yeah.

I hate

It was, yeah.

And then Audra wakes up out of her Komoto state with the bike. I don't know. It's kind of...

Jeff (44:18)
It gave me an idea for a Halloween costume. I like, well, I have a bike. Maybe I could dress up as something and then get like a mannequin or something and ride around with the mannequin. Like dress it up like a dead person. Well, I don't know if I'll dress up like him. Maybe I'll dress up as...

Jacqueline Hanzl (44:29)
A doll.

Can you do the ponytail? Can you do it now that you cut? okay.

Jeff (44:45)
it and do that but the yes it'll have a little more pop but ⁓ the yeah but Audra on the bikes you know when she was just like i'm like whoa whoa i was like you no one puts anybody on a bike like that and rides around how is that what is happening here and he's going yeah he's

Jacqueline Hanzl (44:46)
There you go. Just as Pennywise.

He's like, you know what? F it. She falls off. She might be

I know they look like they were in like San Francisco

Jeff (45:10)
crazy hill I'm like wow okay yeah right that's what I thought too

I was like man that's some rolling hills right there you really hang on but that was that was a weird a weird choice that was another thing I was like no don't put someone on a bike like that and film it and put it in a movie

Jacqueline Hanzl (45:30)
Yeah.

Yeah. my god.

Jeff (45:35)
I know, that part didn't work for me. It kind took me out of it.

Jacqueline Hanzl (45:37)
⁓ They

were all, yeah. Now I'm like getting, I could talk about this, guess forever, but now I'm thinking back to when they were in the library and Richie Tozier Richie was there, right? And he was like, huh. And he like was acting. mean, wasn't he the one? Yeah. And he, and I get like things were being freaky and no one else saw it, but I felt like he could have acted a little cooler. Sorry. Just, you've been down this road before, dude. Like he was acting a little.

Jeff (46:03)
Yeah.

Right.

Jacqueline Hanzl (46:07)
much

like, ⁓ I don't know, that was a little over, over done.

Jeff (46:10)
Right, he had, yeah,

yeah. Yeah, that's the thing I think with that ensemble, know, was, they didn't gel, you know, like entirely, I don't know, but.

Jacqueline Hanzl (46:22)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jeff (46:29)
The, ⁓

I mean, one other scene I did, I did like when the greaser gang followed them down into the, you know, the sewer at the end of that ⁓ first part that I thought that was.

Jacqueline Hanzl (46:39)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, I thought it was good too.

Jeff (46:48)
They're just it's like the classic, you know, they got switch blades or we're gonna cut people up and like, you know, you're going down there and they're not coming out. We're gonna kill man. It's like and they're like 15. Like I'm like, man, these kids are these kids are crazy. then, oh, that brings me to so. Stan's button down shirt and the switchblade.

Jacqueline Hanzl (46:52)
Yeah. Yeah.

I know.

I

Yeah.

Jeff (47:16)
I'm like, who is his seamstress? This is like the worst made shirt ever because he basically like motions the switchblade to the shirt and the buttons just start coming off. like, boop, boop. I'm like, man. Like there's no sound effect. Like they just kind of, it's like air.

Jacqueline Hanzl (47:31)
Yeah, yeah

Jeff (47:38)
And that made me laugh out loud. I'm like, that's actually amazing. They're like, yeah, we don't need any effects for that. No sound effects for that. Just let them come off.

Jacqueline Hanzl (47:40)
You

⁓ my god.

⁓ Yeah.

Jeff (47:52)
and the battery acid inhaler.

Jacqueline Hanzl (47:55)
Yeah.

Jeff (47:57)
The first time I was like, okay, and that was kind of gruesome, you know, when his face melted it and those effects were pretty pretty cool I thought but then when they Ran it back again You know, but the adult I was like, Geez and then we got the spider but ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (48:01)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, he melted the whole face. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jeff (48:24)
That's kind of a roundabout way for me at least. I don't think it really... I had hoped it was going to be more... I was going be like, yeah, this is going to be ⁓ regular rotation around Halloween for me now. But it won't be. Unfortunately. mean, it was nice to go back and watch it again though, because like we talked about, I definitely remember this being like super cool thing at the time and just like...

Jacqueline Hanzl (48:31)
Yeah.

Yeah! No. No, me neither, no. Watching it again.

Yeah.

Jeff (48:54)
you know, everybody was talking about it. It was a really big deal.

Jacqueline Hanzl (48:58)
Yeah, it was. Yeah, I would not watch it again. I wouldn't, I hate to say, I would not tell people like, you have to watch this. Like, no. I'd like, don't do it.

Jeff (49:06)
Yeah,

you have to tell them the opposite thing. You should not watch this. You should read the book. It's a great example. Read the book.

Jacqueline Hanzl (49:13)
Don't. Yeah, read the book.

If you really want to go there.

Jeff (49:22)
Obviously it's

one of his more lengthy novels, I think, right? It's long one.

Jacqueline Hanzl (49:32)
Aren't they all kind of long though? Is it? Or no?

Jeff (49:35)
I mean, I've only read a few, I think like, like, misery was like 400 pages or something and the Petsimitary wasn't that long, I don't think.

Jacqueline Hanzl (49:40)
Misery. Hmm. Hmm.

Okay.

All right. Is there anything else you wanted to add?

Jeff (49:53)
Yeah, a couple of sightings for

me. Did you notice Bryan Cranston?

Jacqueline Hanzl (49:59)
Yes! Duh! my gosh. ⁓ Yes! my gosh. Yep.

Jeff (50:00)
He was the pharmacist in the sixth in the sixties and

and they must have had some makeup and stuff on him because he looked quite a bit older. I was like, is that Bryan Cranston? Like obviously no idea who Bryan Cranston was then. ⁓ And then I don't know if you ever watched the X-Files, but the the smoking man was in that. ⁓ He was like.

Jacqueline Hanzl (50:09)
Yeah, yes he did. Oh yeah.

time. Yeah.

Jeff (50:30)
in the cafeteria in the high school. He had a recurring role in the X-Files for a bunch of seasons.

Jacqueline Hanzl (50:36)
I did not watch the X-Files. Sorry.

Jeff (50:40)
Gee, okay. Well, other people have. Other people have. I know they have. I know it. I know it. Yep. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (50:43)
Nerd. No, I'm just kidding. Really? I know. I know they have.

Big following. I keep thinking I watched it when I was in college. Like my senior year, there was something going on. Maybe... Okay, sorry. No, keep going.

Jeff (51:02)
You

never watch it, you don't like it, it's okay. No, I know, I know. ⁓ one other thing. ⁓ If I may, the... Bev has a line, something I thought was, I thought it was really cool, was kind of a Stephen King tie-in, I guess, to his own writing maybe, but you know that line in Stand By Me, it's at the end and...

Jacqueline Hanzl (51:05)
I don't know if I disliked it, I just never got into it.

Jeff (51:31)
⁓ Richard Dreyfuss's character is like sending us off with the voiceover at the end of Stand By Me. it's something to the effect, I jotted it down because I knew I wouldn't remember it, ⁓ do you ever have friends like you did when you were 12 years old and it says something like, Jesus, does anybody?

Jacqueline Hanzl (51:38)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Jeff (52:00)
Beb said something like that in that, in IT as well, was basically the same exact sentiment worded slightly differently. But for me, that was always like a pretty huge line in Stand By Me, which was, I don't know what year that came out. And that's, this is not Apples to Apples, right? Cause it's a TV movie and it, but like, I watched that not that long ago and that movie's solid gold. I was like, like,

Jacqueline Hanzl (52:05)
Mmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Right, right. Yeah.

yeah, I'm sure. I haven't

watched that in a long time, but I can imagine. I loved that movie. Yeah, I can imagine.

Jeff (52:31)
man, don't even... Yeah, I was like...

Yeah, my eyes were welling up like the whole time. I was like, man, this movie is... I think it probably came out just right around the same time as this. ⁓ God, I'm gonna have to look it up. I'm gonna say... 91, 92?

Jacqueline Hanzl (52:39)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Probably.

I'm like trying to remember what I was doing in my life. What is it? It is 80s, okay.

Jeff (53:01)
Nope, completely wrong. 1986.

Yeah, wow, okay. So that was way before this.

Jacqueline Hanzl (53:13)
The book came out around... The it book came out around when the movie came out, but obviously when Stand By Me came out, but there was no...

Jeff (53:20)
Hmm.

Yeah, you know, Stephen King. He's badass.

Jacqueline Hanzl (53:27)
Interesting. So true though. So true.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Is that it? Okay. Well, ⁓ you can check out HomeBodiesOnly at homebodiesonly.com. are on like every platform you could imagine. And ⁓ Jeff and I will be talking about Welcome to Derry.

Jeff (53:36)
Okay, I think so.

Jacqueline Hanzl (53:55)
I hope it's good, the trailer looks good. I hope it's good.

Jeff (53:58)
it does look at i i really love

what i saw in that trailer idea do you know how many episodes and in the miniseries we can talk about

Jacqueline Hanzl (54:08)
I can look it up.

There are nine episodes in Welcome to Derry. Not bad. It's starting October 26th. I feel like they should have started a little before that. Like we're gonna get into Halloween and then it's gonna go past Halloween and whatever. just feel like they should have started it before that, but like now, but it's fine.

Jeff (54:21)
Ahem.

Yeah,

yeah, is that... So will they release all of those? Or they do it weekly? that's cool, I like that. I like that. Especially if it's good, but yeah, the trailer looked great and...

Jacqueline Hanzl (54:33)
No, it's gonna be a weekly thing. Yeah, yeah, yep.

Yeah, that looks good.

Jeff (54:44)
way

more like menacing and scary and yeah, I'm ⁓ taking a chance on this. I don't know, I typically don't watch horror stuff but tis, but it's, this looks good so hopefully it will be good.

Jacqueline Hanzl (54:48)
yeah.

All right.

I don't really either.

All right.

All right. All right, well, thanks everyone for listening, for watching. Jeff, tell them where they can find you. And all your

Jeff (55:13)
I'm

on Instagram. That's pretty much where you can find me, Jeff Kadlic. And if you need any guitars or guitar work done or anything like that, you can check out Champtone Guitars on Instagram as well or the website. So pretty easy to find.

Jacqueline Hanzl (55:31)
Awesome. All right, bye everyone.

Jeff (55:34)
Catch you later.