IT: Welcome to Derry S1 E3 Now Did We See IT?!

In this episode of HomeBodiesOnly, Jackie & Jeff dive into the third episode of IT: Welcome to Derry. They share their personal impressions, character highlights, and the humor found within the episode. The discussion also touches on the fashion choices of the characters, the cemetery scene, and the overall tone of the show. They explore the dynamics between parents and children, the significance of photography, and the editing techniques used in the episode. The hosts also speculate on future events and share their critiques, all while reflecting on the nostalgia and cultural references that resonate with them.

00:00 Intro

01:00 Episode Overview and Initial Reactions

02:13 Character Highlights and Casting Choices

04:41 Exploring Themes and Story Background

08:26 Cemetery Scene Analysis and Reactions

11:05 Humor and Whimsy in Horror

11:39 Costume and Makeup Appreciation

13:39 Character Dynamics and Relationships

15:24 Visual and Cinematic Techniques

17:40 Thematic Connections and Future Speculations

22:39 Fashion and Style in the Show

28:23 Exploring Themes of Fear and Memory

35:37 Character Motivations and Plot Connections

39:28 Wrap Up

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Transcript

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:08)
Hi, this is Jackie.

Jeff Kadlic (00:10)
And this is Jeff.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:11)
And this is HomeBodiesOnly, where we welcome all bodies to join us as we break down and dissect HBO Max series. And this episode, we are talking about IT: Welcome to Derry season one, episode three. Now you see it. Here is a summary from AI.

Jeff Kadlic (00:32)
Mm-hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:33)
Features, they're calling it a seance when they were in the graveyard, I guess, where the kids try to photograph supernatural activity in a graveyard, leading to a chase where they capture images of ghosts and a fleeting glimpse of a clown. The episode also includes a flashback to 1908 showing a young General Shaw encountering a Pennywise-like creature at a circus and being saved by a girl named Rose who uses a slingshot to ward off the monster.

Jeff Kadlic (01:00)
Mmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:01)
Okay.

I was gonna to go to loves. I just want to start off this episode. I loved it. This has been my favorite so far. I think because I felt like we found a little more out. I felt like it was a little bit more maybe fast paced or just like maybe more parts of the story. I don't know. I really liked it.

Jeff Kadlic (01:05)
Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, we definitely got some

more back backstory. Okay, that's interesting. I thought, I guess of the three episodes so far, I was a little, this one wasn't my favorite, but I watched it again. How dare you? I watched it again and I do really like this episode.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:27)
Mm-hmm.

Get out of here. Okay.

my other loves. I loved Young Francis. So, these kids are so cute. Like they're the cutest I loved Rose, young and old. Yeah. Young Francis with his suspenders, the paper boy, newspaper hat, whatever. Just adorable. Rose, young and old, perfect casting. That was.

Jeff Kadlic (01:57)
Yeah, I had that one as well. Young Francis, yeah, he was really good.

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:13)
fantastic, also completely took me by surprise that storyline. mean, I just also want to, I want to, I don't know if I'm prefacing this or not, but so Jeff and I have not read the book.

Jeff Kadlic (02:13)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:27)
I saw the IT Chapter 1 movie, I honestly don't remember it. So we come into this with not a lot of...

background, I feel like. Like we watched IT 1990. That's kind of it. I started reading it. I'm only on page like 70. So I think, you know, I'm on the face a couple of Facebook fan pages and they have read the book or at least seen the movies like obsessed and they know a little bit more about it, I think than we do. So we come in as a little bit like newbies almost watching this. So just saying.

Jeff Kadlic (02:42)
That's it, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Which

is fun because I mean, you know, I'm just watching it for the enjoyment of it. don't have an expectation from it, you know, from a previous series So, yeah. Take that, internet. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:06)
⁓

Yeah, we're like new fans, sort of.

I laughed when that thing in the woods was like, hello, I don't know.

Jeff Kadlic (03:33)
Yeah, okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:34)
I don't know why when he was like, hello in the woods. I thought that was funny, it was, he was creepy. I'm not going to say he wasn't creepy, but I thought that was funny. ⁓ I loved that Madeleine Stowe was in it. ⁓ And I was like, why do I love her? what is my connection with her? I at Madeleine Stowe, she was the head of housekeeping that Lily,

Jeff Kadlic (03:43)
Okay.

Oh, wait a minute. Marilyn Stone was in this. Who did she film?

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:03)
⁓ bonded with at Juniper Hill. Yes!

Jeff Kadlic (04:06)
That was Madeleine Stowe

Okay, she looked familiar, I, wow, obviously I didn't catch that. Okay. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:15)
Yeah,

so she was in The Last of the Mohegans, which I haven't seen in a while,

there's something about Madeleine Stowe that I don't even think I've seen a lot of things that she's been in. She's like...

just classy. I don't know, when I say her, like, I don't, when you were like, well, she was in it. What do you feel about her? Like she's just.

Jeff Kadlic (04:36)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:41)
She's very chic, classy. There's, I don't know. There's like this respect for her. I'm not sure where it comes from, but that was my feeling. I was like, Madeline Stowe's in this? Like, I don't know if that was cool.

Jeff Kadlic (04:51)
We got to look

into what she was in because that'll help me put it together. I'm trying to think and so I come in.

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:56)
Well, mean,

last in the Mohicans, I thought it was pretty iconic. No?

Jeff Kadlic (05:02)
I didn't see that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:06)
Okay, I did, but only probably once, but it was like four hours long or something. No. Okay, whatever.

Jeff Kadlic (05:09)
Mmm.

I'm trying think,

was that Daniel Day-Lewis or... Or ⁓ wasn't?

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:15)
You're dead to me. ⁓ I wasn't a,

wasn't a Kevin Carr. Wasn't, I'm thinking of dancing with wolves.

Jeff Kadlic (05:24)
That's it. Let's move on. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:25)
That's Kevin Costner. ⁓

Okay. Whatever. I like Battle of Stowe. She was in it.

Girl crush. That's all I'm saying. I love saddle shoes. Okay. I love the style with the saddle shoes that made me happy. Every girl in this show is wearing saddle shoes. Back in the... I'm moving on to love. What's my love? What's the matter?

Jeff Kadlic (05:46)
Wait a minute, wait a minute, so what are saddle shoes?

What

are the saddle shoes?

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:55)
No! What? Okay. Jeff, I'm very disappointed in you. Doesn't matter. I'm very upset that you don't know what these are. So these are like... No. Only girls wore those. I don't know. So they are the shoes that are like ⁓ tie and dress shoes. And they're usually white, but then the middle is like blue. Usually like a navy blue in the middle. my God.

Jeff Kadlic (05:57)
I don't have any.

I probably do, I just might not know the name.

Yeah, I know what cell shoes are.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:24)
Okay, okay.

Jeff Kadlic (06:25)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:25)
So that was like popular in the 50s, 60s. And I loved them. I loved them. I knew you would. That's why I'm so upset that you didn't know what those are. girls wear them with their, they're all just alike. It's so funny. They're all just alike with like the plaid skirts and then the saddle shoes and love the saddle shoes so much. I was a cheerleader and we would get sneakers every year, every season. And one of the seasons we got these.

Jeff Kadlic (06:28)
Well, I like those too.

I do, I do.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:52)
They were sneakers, but they looked just like saddle shoes. And I loved them so much. They had the navy blue in the middle and our school colors were blue and white. So into the saddle shoes. ⁓

I love that Dick Halleran was saying that like he spent a night with Aretha Franklin. I just thought that was funny.

Jeff Kadlic (07:12)
Yeah, yeah those guys

they get to carrying on at the base I like those exchanges That's a good good good chemistry with those actors. It's it's fun

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:19)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. ⁓

Yes. Yeah. Richie, Richie, Richie. Like I love him so much. He is the cutest feisty little thing and his, his hair is the best and ⁓ I follow him on Instagram now, this actor and Arian, Arian, I just 12. I have no idea. I'm sure he's not 12, but like Arian Cartaya, something like that. I.

Jeff Kadlic (07:32)
Yeah, he's...

Yeah.

man, how old is that kid?

⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:55)
I love him, so cute. Such a good little actor. And then also his milkshake mustache when they came out of the diner, because he spills the chocolate milkshake and he has the mustache when they like leave the diner and go meet up with the girls. And I just love that that stayed there in the scene. I thought that was cute.

Jeff Kadlic (08:17)
Yeah, well

I was wondering about the the cheeseburgers and the french fries. I was like man you guys just got your food and you just left them.

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:24)
that they left those there.

I have a love hate relationship with the cemetery scene, like all the stuff that went down.

Jeff Kadlic (08:30)
Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:33)
Because I will say I loved, I actually watched this at a very odd time of the day. It was like four in the morning. So it was very dark and I was on my couch and it was very dark in the house and I'm watching it I was like, whatever, isn't that scary? I'm like, okay, it's a little scary in beginning. you know, part of me was like, why, you don't need to do a conjuring in this town. Like you just don't need to do that.

Jeff Kadlic (08:51)
That's a s-

Right, right.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:02)
Evil things are gonna come to you anyway. But, so I did love the creepy part of it. I'm all into that, like candlelight, like I'm totally into that. But then at one point when they were riding the bikes and there was like explosions or sparks on the ground, I kind of got taken out of it for a second and thought, is this AI? that's why, I mean, didn't hate it, hate it, but like certain parts I was thinking, okay, how much of this is?

Jeff Kadlic (09:18)
Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:28)
well, AI and little fake. And I did see some stuff, just people commenting, like saying the cemetery scene was corny and like ripping it apart, where I was like, oh, I was kind of scared. But also I thought some of the effects, but that's more my style. Like I like my style of horror. Like I like the creepy, I'm a weirdo. Like I like the dead creepy.

Jeff Kadlic (09:42)
Ha ha.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:58)
graveyard stuff and more than that gore and ridiculous, to me it's ridiculous, but overdone.

Jeff Kadlic (09:58)
Yeah.

Yeah, I hadn't thought about that

actually. That style of that scene is quite a bit different than everything that's been in series so far. I mean, it was definitely more whimsical and, ⁓ you know, again, you know, I know I brought it up a time or two, but like the tone of the show sometimes, I didn't really have a problem with any of that scene. I liked...

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:16)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Kadlic (10:32)
all of that pretty much, but it was... ⁓

I don't know what the word is I'm looking for, but it was just kind of light-hearted, more light-hearted in a sense, you know?

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:45)
Yeah, because

the stuff with Richie, like how he was like making stuff up basically. Like, it's this, it's that. I liked that they threw that in there. There was like some humor happening with it.

Jeff Kadlic (10:49)
Yeah, or-

Yeah, but even like those ghosts

and stuff and the sound effects and everything, was like, ⁓ this is almost like, you know, somewhat comical.

i don't know it's um we'll see how it plays out on the world views with the tone of the show sometimes what it's doing so uh...

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:14)
Hmm

I think they are, I mean, I'm guessing. I really do think they're trying to do like a balance or a combination of.

like the horror and the scary, but then...

There's also the real things like the military, I don't know, but I don't know. It's interesting.

Jeff Kadlic (11:30)
yeah another that i want to have a lot

presented for sure for people to latch onto which is good

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:35)
Mm-hmm,

mm-hmm. All right, what do you have for loves?

Jeff Kadlic (11:39)
⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:42)
likes, intense like, I don't know.

Jeff Kadlic (11:44)
I

have, well early on in the episode, I do really love the costume and the makeup of that joker or jester that was in the carnival. We barely get a glimpse of what it looked like to be like a child. A girl, yeah. But that like, that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:00)
⁓ yes! ⁓ crap, I meant to add that.

A girl, I think. Yeah. Yes. I forgot

to add that. She was awesome.

Jeff Kadlic (12:13)
Completely like

captured my imagination and I wanted to see that that character I was like that's phenomenal

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:17)
Mm-hmm.

She was beautiful. ⁓ Of course, you know, I'm on the fan pages and there's theories that she is the daughter of Bob Gray, who supposedly Bob Gray is Pennywise and I don't know. Then there was a theory that it was the character played by Madeline Stowe. That was her when she was little. I don't know. I saw a couple of different things. ha... Well, I shouldn't say that. I wonder if there's significance with that. ⁓

Jeff Kadlic (12:23)
Really cool.

Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:49)
but I love the look of that clown. I forgot to put that in there. Like the makeup, like, my gosh. So it was beautiful. And maybe it's a Halloween costume in the future. Or just for fun.

Jeff Kadlic (12:51)
Yeah.

Yeah, there you go. get your sewing machine warmed up, get some textiles.

No, I know. You kind of need the things too, the whole jester thing. ⁓ right, actually she didn't really have the jester thing. They were like the wig with the, like her hair was like woven to kind of be like the jester. I don't know what they call that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:07)
No, the makeup and the wig. I need that wig. Yeah. That's good.

Twisted, I loved it.

Jeff Kadlic (13:28)
but that was really cool.

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:29)
Yeah. Yeah. She didn't have a hat, it was her hair. Yeah, no, she was very cool. Like a doll too, like the... Yeah, it was cool.

Jeff Kadlic (13:39)
uh...

so you might some of the other things ever there kind of order unfortunately but in terms of the sequences of I mean of the sequence of the episode what uh... well as we come back to Richie cuz I i i do like the uh... hangs around town with drumsticks in his back pocket i do like that

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:47)
That's okay.

⁓ that was, I loved, I showed my son. I'm like, look, look at this. Look at this dude with his drumsticks in his pocket. I love that.

Jeff Kadlic (14:05)
Yeah, that was cool.

You mentioned Francis. Yeah, I like the his acting and I was just really strong and you know, obviously is, you know.

scene partner for the most part, the actress who plays young rose was really great as well. And

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:30)
Rose. So good. Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (14:35)
Just the mission that the kids went on, if you will, the adventure that they went on, I just was like totally into that. Because they got the bikes and the camera and they had a whole plan. And it was just awesome to spend time with them in that way and get to go on the whole adventure with them. And the seance and the...

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:44)
yeah, was good. Yes.

Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (15:04)
the crypt and everything. That was really an awesome part of the episode, for me at least. I

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:11)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (15:15)
seem to have some kind of like blue filter on that whole scene that I thought was... Yeah. That was just... I thought it was really awesome. I love when they... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just really set the mood. ⁓ So, I love seeing stuff like that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:22)
The graveyard. Yes.

It's like a midnight blue, right? Like a deep, yeah, no, I like that too.

Jeff Kadlic (15:41)
when they just, they just put you, you're more immersed into what's happening. Like it's like, ⁓ you know, it just was a good call. I love that. And, actually the after dinner porch scene with, Leroy and Halloran, I thought that was a really great exchange. And, and, ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:51)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (16:08)
just seeing those actors in that scene together. You know, I was like totally invested in that and just really enjoyed watching them act off each other

yet Leroy were you know he uh... i don't what the making him sometimes you know because he's always like

he can't really, obviously by nature of his job, know, yeah, he can't say much to his family. then you have, ⁓ man, I'm sure they do this on purpose. So Halloran, because Leroy Hanlon, right? And Halloran.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:24)
but he's...

hard to read him.

It was, yes, Leroy Hanlon. know. I don't know why they're doing the H's, sorry.

Jeff Kadlic (16:44)
That's like really

close. anyway,

but the just the two of them together in that scene, that was really good. Leroy. You don't know how to read him because he's, know, in the military, he doesn't really talk to his family that much. And then you have Halloran who's, you know, he can't really say much either. So it's like they're, they're like, talking in code with each other.

the whole time, which is fun, ⁓ it also looks kind of like, what's going on, know? What are you guys talking about?

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:16)
Yeah, but well now, like now that I think about this, like I really loved that, that's the one thing, cause I've, you know, posted some videos and some shorts and was talking about like the parents and stuff. And you were talking about, don't really see the parents except for the Hanlons The Hanlons are the ones that are more in tune and, and

you know, there's theories and there's ideas and saying like that Derry has haunted the parents where like it blinds the parents. That's why the parents don't believe the kids. And they're like under the spell of Pennywise or something like that. but the Hanlons aren't like the Hanlons seem, ⁓ I don't know, obviously we don't know. Cause Leroy hasn't heard anything from Will yet, know, weird stuff going on, but they seem to be a little more like.

the heck's going on in this town? The fact too that Leroy felt when Halloran was reading his mind, he felt him. So there's this connection and I like that. I also thought of a love when you were talking that I loved that the kids actually developed those goddamn pictures. Cause all I could think of was these freaking pictures. I was like, what's gonna happen to those pictures? They're like hanging them like.

Jeff Kadlic (18:29)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:36)
They got the pictures, but you know, something's gonna happen. But I love that part.

Jeff Kadlic (18:37)
Yeah, the dark room ⁓ photography

⁓ exposure was great. ⁓ my daughter is actually taking ⁓ dark room photography in high school right

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:45)
That was cool. Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (18:51)
Yeah, yeah, she hasn't shared too much with me about it yet, but she's liking it. But yeah, I've never done that. I would love to do that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:52)
⁓ she is?

That's cool.

It's,

that's interesting. Me neither. I know. I remember like back in the day, because that was the only way to develop picture or see pictures. And now you can see pictures so quickly. So that's a mate, that's interesting that they offer that now still, even though you can get satisfaction from a picture in a second from your phone. So that's pretty, I mean, obviously not the hard copy, but that's pretty cool.

Jeff Kadlic (19:21)
yeah i mean and

i mean that i think there's a uh... you know that these chemicals involved with it so don't know

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:25)
that she's doing that.

yeah, so you're not happy about her being exposed.

Jeff Kadlic (19:32)
Well, it just depends, know, if

you wear the necessary protective gear, then you're probably okay. I don't know if she's doing it. So, yeah, that was great. Right, yeah, no kidding. Certainly not in the air on this show, no. There was no, there's no safety gloves on. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:45)
Yes.

Back in the day, they weren't doing crap, but... No. I mean,

even think when we were in school, you know, people on the newspaper and the yearbook or whatever they were doing. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool. Okay.

Jeff Kadlic (20:01)
Yeah.

Let me see, think...

yeah, and then I really like the scene editing with Halloran when he was on the airplane and transitioning down to the sewer and back into the airplane. ⁓ I love when there's set pieces like that that exist in two different spaces and they take you in and out of them. I thought that was really cool. I'm a sucker for that kind of thing. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:20)
Mm.

Yeah.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. yeah, no, that was great.

Jeff Kadlic (20:40)
I this is more like

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:40)
That was great.

Jeff Kadlic (20:41)
questions thing, but what was that mass of like floating people and toys and stuff that he was staring up at? was like, what's, is this a like some kind of gateway to another dimension or something?

You

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:02)
Yeah, there's some theories with that because, again, this is not from my brain from these fans, ⁓ that he must have traveled to the future because at the point that where they are in this story, there wouldn't have been that many people that would have been killed. That's the one thing they were saying. ⁓

Jeff Kadlic (21:24)
Right.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:28)
that whole pile up. they were saying it was more like a future, maybe he traveled to the future and saw how many people or whatever have been killed. I don't know. I know you get these little glimpses. I mean, like I said, I actually loved this episode because there was just more, to me there was just more information and I felt like it moved faster even if we're left with more questions. ⁓

Jeff Kadlic (21:44)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:51)
Yeah, I don't know.

I got some hates, but it's not anything ripping apart.

Jeff Kadlic (21:53)
⁓ okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:02)
It's not anything really ripping apart the actual show. It's just like, like I hated Hank being in jail and the cop, you know, Ronnie's dad being in jail and the cop like calling him out about the cigarettes. I was like, what? Like it's annoying. ⁓ Ronnie's vandalized locker. Like I can't, that stuff with the kids, like I guess so mad. ⁓ Will's, you're gonna, yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (22:07)
Mmm.

Yeah, that was one of mine as well. Sorry.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:29)
You're gonna laugh at this. So Will's jacket, like their clothes in this one. yeah. ⁓ I loved some of the clothes in this one and Will's jacket though had the Mets colors and I was a little upset about that.

Jeff Kadlic (22:39)
⁓ okay, well

hold on a second. the... ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:48)
I don't even think the Mets were around yet.

Jeff Kadlic (22:53)
We're gonna have to fact check.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:54)
He had like that Metz blue with the orange stripes on the collar. I was like, what's happening here? Who decided this one?

Jeff Kadlic (22:59)
Well, I see. I love that. I thought that.

Yeah, I was like,

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:06)
it. I will say

I liked the look of his outfit. I liked the boys clothes better than the girls. Not that I disliked the girls, but the boys were styling this one.

Jeff Kadlic (23:13)
They were and

and I I thought ⁓ okay, that's how you combine stripes because he had Will had the the blue. do call that? It's like a teen jacket or what is that? It's like a it's like a

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:26)
Mm, yeah. He did have a striped shirt on.

That was like a sports members only. It's just definitely like a sporty, ⁓ crap. It's before members only, I know, but it's it's athletic jacket. It was cute. Yeah. I would wear that. Like I would have worn what those kids, boys were wearing.

Jeff Kadlic (23:39)
before members only it's like a it's like an athletic athletic like teen teen co with the

Well, hold on, I have one right

here. It's got the striped cuffs and the striped collar, but then he had a shirt that had ⁓ horizontal. yeah, whereas I felt like in one scene, Ronnie had like, she was rocking like double plaid.

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:02)
The collar, nose. That's great. Stripes horizontal. Yeah. It worked. Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (24:18)
And I was like, okay. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:20)
Yes.

Was it skirt? I know, I didn't pay attention to the girls as much. A lot of them had, I liked the boys clothes in this one.

Jeff Kadlic (24:27)
Yeah, Richie had classic mid...

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:32)
⁓ his plaid jacket. want it. I actually commented on his freaking Instagram post about it. I was like, where's the jacket from? Cause he talked about his outfit. I was like, hello, come on. Cause I could fit in it. Converse. Loved it.

Jeff Kadlic (24:38)
Yeah, he's got the cuff jeans and he's a little like a little little little rockabilly dude, you know, he's got a Yeah, he's rocking a cool

Pendleton or something

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:50)
Very cute. I know we're on hates right now. how many kids can drop a camera? I mean, okay, I get it. But I was like, yeah, dude, like it got caught in the tree. ⁓

Jeff Kadlic (24:56)
man.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah,

there's there's a yeah, I'm sure when they're when they're right there's a name for that when they're writing these episodes

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:10)
Ha ha ha!

Jeff Kadlic (25:15)
need a yeah it's like a bit right it's a it's a like it's not slapstick but it almost was you know in a way but yeah it went out a little bit long but it didn't bother me though that didn't bother me so much there's a cool camera so that counts

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:17)
Three scum funny. Right.

No, it didn't bother me

that much. It was a cool camera. Polaroid. Apparently it's hanging in a tree at point. ⁓ those are my hates. What are your hates? I know hate's a strong word.

Jeff Kadlic (25:37)
Durable, a very durable camera too. Yeah, or at least a film canister.

Very bold statements.

⁓ don't I Didn't really have any hate I had one and just that what you mentioned that you know this Ronnie continued continuing to get like terrorized at school. it's like the worst thing so but You know, they're gonna bring that it's part of the deal and

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:00)
Okay.

⁓ yeah. yeah. So sad.

Right. Because it's, you know, of course the smartest kids who absolutely understand what's happening are like the losers, you know, it's like smart kids.

Jeff Kadlic (26:20)
Yeah. Yeah.

That was really...

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:26)
These

freaking popular kids are morons and I have no clue what's happening.

Jeff Kadlic (26:30)
Yeah, that was,

That was my only hate actually, it was just that scene.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:37)
Okay. Yeah. I didn't have any I can relate for this one. In fashion, I had Richie's outfit, like the plaid jacket. I want that. It's funny. I did look on, cause there's a website called Shop Your TV and they did have some clothes on there, but it was all the girls. Like they talked about like Marge's cardigan, like yellow cardigan, which may have even been from the last episode. I was like,

I can find that. That's easy. So they didn't have any of the boys and I was trying to look up the boys stuff.

Jeff Kadlic (27:03)
What's this? What's this Shop Your TV? So it's a website and they like, they'll

just cross-reference all television shows in existence.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:15)
Lots of shows. Yeah, a lot of shows. I've used it a lot. Shop Your TV and Worn on TV are my two of my go-tos. And Shop Your TV on Facebook is awesome. You go on there and you like can take a picture of something and put it on there and say like, where is this? Like any show, any show. And they'll look for it. But basically they Google Lens it. So we kind of can all do that. But ⁓ I didn't Google Lens Richie's jacket. Cause also too...

Jeff Kadlic (27:20)
Hmm.

man.

Okay.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:46)
Maybe I would have found it, but it's interesting because it's like, if it's popular and it's going around, then like something will pop up. But if no one's really searching for it, it might not pop up. anyway, yeah. Yeah, Jeff, come on, get with it. Shop your TV, warn on TV. Let's go. Well, I always look for the looks for less, so that was, you know, what I would do. But yes, it can be expensive. Yes.

Jeff Kadlic (27:58)
as i was really expenses well

Alright, so you're like two or three steps ahead of me. So I some

learning to do.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:12)
I did. No, just don't worry about it. How about that? Don't worry your pretty little face. Okay.

Jeff Kadlic (28:12)
Alright. Alright.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:21)
Okay, should we move on to thoughts and questions?

Jeff Kadlic (28:23)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:25)
Okay, so the slingshot connection, because again, we're going from, I'm going from the 1990 movie where they had that slingshot and then there was the slingshot and this one, is it the same slingshot? I don't know.

Jeff Kadlic (28:32)
Mmm.

Yeah.

Oh,

jeez, his dad? Damn carnival took all my money, son of shithead. Get out of here. know, just like, it's like so, it's just a quintessential, like, you know, era there. Of course, well, what year was that? That was like 1908?

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:47)
Ugh.

There was so

It's so funny, so.

I think you're right. I think it was 1908. Something like that. Yeah. It's funny. Cause again, we're recording this. Like we wait a couple of days and stuff. Like people throw stuff up on TikTok and talk about this episode, like right after it airs and all that stuff. So I was watching a guy talking about the episode and he's like, Francis Shaw's dad is a dick.

Jeff Kadlic (29:02)
⁓

Of course I do,

yeah, I mean...

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:25)
don't know

if you guys saw it's funny. I was like, yeah, he is. is. like, yelling at him, don't be a sissy. Is that what he says? Like, don't be a sissy. Well.

Jeff Kadlic (29:30)
Yeah.

car will clean me out. Where's that slingshot?

You know, ran his car broke down or ran out of gas or whatever.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:42)
⁓

What are you doing? You're like, um, good plan. don't know what you didn't figure out that you didn't have enough gas. at the carnival too. That the guy's like, step right up. And like all these people are going in to see these crazy freaky freak shows. And I know that was like a thing back then. Yeah. But it's.

Jeff Kadlic (30:01)
Carnival freaks. Yeah.

Yeah, well, I guess that might... I don't hate that, you know, I'm just thinking, though, like back to your, you know, like when Francis and Rose were in the woods and then they went across whatever that...

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:09)
That's just weird.

I know, I don't hate it. It was just like a thought.

Jeff Kadlic (30:24)
being is and I'm is um you know like why couldn't he leave the woods and is this a super like early incarnation of of IT but he's of Pennywise but he's like I don't know aging and you know but at the same time again with the tone I'm like is this this kind of looks like somebody's like

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:24)
Yeah, and he happened to be at the carnival.

Mmm.

of it, of Pennywise. Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (30:52)
aging grandfather like snuck out of the house without his clothes on, you know, and he sees like, hey, what's up? You you got a, you got a smoke? I need a smoke guys. Do you guys smoke? You know, they're like, we're seven. We don't smoke dude. So, you know, it's like that kind of, and then he, but then he turns into the big thing and I'm just like.

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:59)
But then he got bigger and bigger. Hello.

It's like Bev Marsh's dad.

You know what?

But you know, that just hit me just now, is that, was that Francis's fear. Remember like Pennywise incarnates into the fear or IT incarnates into fears. He saw that dude at the carnival. So when he saw that, cause like I was thinking when he saw the dude at the carnival, that that was not a normal thing and not everybody saw him because he kind of like veered off and went into another room.

Jeff Kadlic (31:35)
Hmm.

yeah, well that makes sense.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:49)
Or it's that it was that dude was there and he was freaked out by that dude. And then when he went to the woods, one of his biggest fears was that dude with one eye and that's what he saw in the woods. So did you think he was a goner? Like.

Jeff Kadlic (32:05)
But, well, no, no, actually, that's just

you're laying this out. Because, ⁓ I mean, Rose is aware of that guy as well. So, it's not something that he manifested himself, like a fear.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:12)
Because I did at first. did.

yeah.

But she didn't say, she didn't say what it was. She just said, or did she see?

Jeff Kadlic (32:27)
it can't come out of the woods.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:33)
Yeah, and told him not to come out, not to go.

Jeff Kadlic (32:35)
Hmm.

Yeah, uh, I, no, I was, I,

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:40)
Hmm. ⁓

Jeff Kadlic (32:45)
I was never in a spot where I was fearing for young Francis perishing in the woods. I didn't think that was going to happen.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:54)
I didn't know, I

see in the beginning.

I don't know when that thing was like, argh, like went after, was like, you know, I was like, they're dead. Like I did think that for a second. ⁓ I didn't realize that was General Shaw as a kid.

Jeff Kadlic (33:05)
Yeah, no, I didn't either. I didn't really put that together until later

in the episode.

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:09)
No, obviously, till they said it. This is just a dumb thing. Like where exactly does Will's parents think he is? remember, Will's out in that cemetery, like for how long at night? And Leroy's like, he's out of friends. I was like, do you what? Like, anyway, that's just stupid. Okay. So.

Jeff Kadlic (33:17)
Yeah.

Yeah, he's out now or something, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:33)
thought here that I didn't write down but I had thought about it earlier and you might have the same is that you know originally I'd say like last episode obviously we've only seen two other ones other than this one the military connection

I didn't realize. So General Shaw's almost obsession or mission with finding this thing that he's calling like a weapon, does that stem from when he was little and he actually got on this thing and wanting to find IT? But he also doesn't remember stuff. I don't know, I'm a little confused. You know what I'm saying? What's?

Jeff Kadlic (33:58)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, on one hand, you would think that, yeah, that's absolutely the

thing that he's like, you know, focused on. And that's like his motivation is, you know, he's leveraged his position in the military to, you know, implement this, ⁓ this investigation or this dig, you know, all these things that he's doing and he's probably obsessed with ⁓ it is like a

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:27)
Mm-hmm.

to find this.

Jeff Kadlic (34:42)
feeling that I get from it but then yeah you throw in the even says it right like I I completely forgot completely forgot about about you until I returned to to Derry so you know and then I guess that plays into one of my questions was that didn't she sit when they were kids didn't she say that well the last thing she said

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:53)
He didn't remember. Yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (35:09)
to him was, can you keep a secret? I think. Or was, I can't remember right now. It was either young Rose or Rose said that adult Francis. like I know she asked that question, can you keep a secret? And just wondering like ⁓ what's with everybody forgetting

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:26)
adult fri- fris-

Mm-hmm.

Jeff Kadlic (35:37)
the events that occur in Derry.

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:39)
Yeah.

I don't know, does he want, what's his motivation? Does he want this as a war weapon or is it more of his agenda? I don't know, like it was a little confusing with how supposedly he didn't remember stuff, but yet he was looking for this thing.

Jeff Kadlic (35:44)
you

Yeah.

Right, yeah, is a little confusing.

I guess we're gonna have to wait and see. I'm trying to remember how...

How exactly?

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:07)
kid, because I kind of remember her the way she said it.

Jeff Kadlic (36:07)
do you remember how the episode ended? I'm trying to remember.

I can't remember, but it was like a-

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:12)
Okay, graveyard, they developed pictures.

Jeff Kadlic (36:14)
I feel

like it was a bit of a cliffhanger,

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:17)
I thought it ended with them in the development room. No, yes, I know how it ended. It ended with them in developing the picture and seeing the picture of, we think Pennywise and Will says, it's a clown. Like I, I loved that. Like I was so into that. ⁓ There's theories that that picture is actually the young looks like girl with the, like we were talking about that.

Jeff Kadlic (36:23)
yeah.

Anyways, right.

Yeah.

the jester

or the joker or whatever.

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:45)
but I don't think so. think

that's Pennywise. Yeah, I think it's Pennywise.

That's the crap I love. I love the weird, like creepy, cemetery, like, get me all that. Totally into it. Totally into that stuff.

Jeff Kadlic (36:53)
Yeah, yeah, I love that too. mean, you know, the kids on the bikes

and the flashlights and...

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:00)
The bikes, well, I think too, like we both grew up with that time. I mean, obviously not in 1962, but riding bikes and going on those types of things. I mean, I never did a seance in the graveyard, but I definitely was into crap like that. Like we had graves, there were at least two graves where I lived. There was woods behind us in a pond and there were these two graves and their last name was Valentine. It was so random. Like, I don't even know how we knew about them behind the pond.

Jeff Kadlic (37:07)
Yeah.

No.

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:30)
we're like, it was daytime. We were touching, I would have never went there at night, by the way. And we were like putting our hand above it and we were like, do you feel the cold? There's some vibrations. Like we were like totally, like totally, yeah.

Jeff Kadlic (37:36)
Yeah. No, you were on your bikes and driving around and going on adventures, you know.

Yeah, that was freedom. That was freedom.

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:46)
That's your power. That

was your power. you were, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that whole part. Love that part.

Jeff Kadlic (37:50)
Yeah, it's relatable for sure.

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:55)
And I love, know, Lilly was taught or told by Madeleine Stowe, ⁓ you know, make it right, make it right with Ronnie. Cause like she put her father in jail basically. She was like, I'm gonna make it right. What do we need to do? And that was, that was good.

Jeff Kadlic (38:01)
Hmm

Yeah. Yeah,

so.

I was wondering like how long was she there? Because I remember you know we see her getting getting taken out of the school in episode two and taken to it? Juniper Hill? So we don't we don't really know how long she was there

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:23)
Mm-hmm.

Lily. Yeah, we don't know. I know, now she's back.

once again, off scene, off, ⁓ what do we say? Like when don't see things that are done.

Jeff Kadlic (38:32)
Yeah, they just take care of some things off screen, you know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:37)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Kadlic (38:38)
I'm, each time we talk about it, like, you know, I want to go check the TV and see if the next episode is there to watch, but I know it's not, because it's only Wednesday, so.

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:39)
Good, I definitely like it. Totally into it.

No. Yeah. I'm excited.

Jeff Kadlic (38:52)
⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:54)
there's something with turtles. There's something, there's some significance with turtles. I just have to say, like, remember I saw, so she had the, so the turtle charm, there's something with a turtle because I started reading IT the book, and there's a mention of a turtle, of turtles with

Jeff Kadlic (38:55)
⁓ okay. Yeah. The charm on the bracelet.

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:15)
Stanley Uris actually as an adult, starts mumbling about a turtle. So there's something with turtles. I'm reading the book it's just, I love this shat It's annoying. I do like, it's fun.

Jeff Kadlic (39:22)
We need answers.

That's good.

Yeah, definitely, definitely is.

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:33)
Good escape. Good escape from crazy real life. That's another reason. Okay, I want to say one more thing. These gory scenes that don't like freak me out or scare me, that's because real life is so much scarier. There's so many crappy things happening in real life and I'm not even, yeah. I'm not even referring, I'm just, my life, in the world, whatever it is, that is way more scarier than this shit.

Jeff Kadlic (39:33)
No kidding, no kidding.

Yeah. Yeah.

yeah, no, yeah, life is just absurd daily.

Beyond anything you can imagine. Yeah, yeah, All right, anything else? we?

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:02)
That's why it doesn't really scare me.

Yep.

the links are there.

Jeff Kadlic (40:11)
I'm looking forward to Sunday

come around quick. It'll

Alright, catch you later.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:16)
All right. Bye.