IT: Welcome to Derry S1 E4 The Great Swirling Apparatus of My Brain Reading This Title

Jackie and Jeff delve into the fourth episode of HBO MAX IT: Welcome to Derry. 

00:00 Intro

01:59 Love

08:00 Hate

16:31 I Can Relate

16:54 Thoughts/Questions

40:06 Final Thoughts

42:30 Outro

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Transcript

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:00)
Hi, this is Jackie.

Deadbeat Co-Host (00:01)
And this is Jeff.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:03)
And this is HomeBodiesOnly, where we welcome all bodies to join us as we break down and dissect HBO Max series. And this episode we are talking about, Welcome to Derry season one, episode four, the great swirling apparatus of our planet's function. Okay. I had to read that off my phone because there's no way. I know you like it.

Deadbeat Co-Host (00:25)
It's a good one, I like that title. It really

grabbed my attention for sure. I wasn't expecting it would be delivered by a classroom teacher, but that's cool.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:38)
Okay. This episode dives deep into the origin of the entity IT and intensifies the kids' terrifying encounters while also revealing the military's goal to weaponize the creature. So I just have to say in, I don't remember if it was the first episode or the second episode. I said, is the demon baby the weapon? You're like, if the demon baby is the weapon, this like, this show has got a lot of problems. So technically.

Deadbeat Co-Host (00:50)
Hmm.

I did say that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:05)
Yeah,

so technically maybe it's not the demon baby, but it is IT. IT is the weapon that he's searching for. Right? So...

Deadbeat Co-Host (01:12)
Yeah, yeah.

Well, okay, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:18)
How do you

feel? What should we start with? Should we start with thoughts about that? Or what do want to?

Deadbeat Co-Host (01:22)
I think we should just I think

we should just discuss this episode because the I mean obviously we're do that but with the everything that happened in that I guess third act of the episode, you know There's a lot going on there. Yeah in terms of just kind of building out the world and framing the whole thing a little bit more like what they're doing and

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:38)
the story.

Mm.

Deadbeat Co-Host (01:50)
you know, what they're looking for. I don't know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:51)
Yeah.

All right. Well, we could just start with loves. I don't have like a ton. Not that I hated a lot of stuff, but I loved the music, like that they played. Ray Charles, I was digging the music. I loved Charlotte's Cajones. I love her. She's a favorite. Not that, I mean...

Deadbeat Co-Host (02:02)
Yeah

Yeah, that was great.

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:15)
I not that I disliked other parts, but those were like two things I really loved. I'm not sure how I feel about the snail eyes thing, but ⁓ that actually I have in another part. Okay. What do you have for loves?

Deadbeat Co-Host (02:21)
Yep.

Okay.

I have, well of course you know, all of the kids cruising through town on their bikes, they're bringing the evidence to the police. I love that. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:38)
Mm-hmm.

Yes. Yes. ⁓ well. I love

that. then, of course, couldn't see anything. Yes. Of course not.

Deadbeat Co-Host (02:49)
Yeah, yeah.

And of course they were, you know, treated like they were idiots, but ⁓ I did enjoy that. ⁓ I also like the scene that we got when the troops were setting up their new clubhouse, so to speak. You know, that was cool and relatable.

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:56)
Yes.

Mmm, yeah, that was good.

Deadbeat Co-Host (03:16)
And yeah, Charlotte too, just taking on the police. know, we got basic, we got two scenes with her ⁓ doing that. And yeah, they're both great. And I'll also...

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:23)
Mm-hmm.

Deadbeat Co-Host (03:33)
I was thinking about the interrogation scene between ⁓ Halloran and Taniel

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:42)
her.

⁓ yes.

Deadbeat Co-Host (03:49)
I watched it on Sunday and then I watched it, I think it was last night, but I put my earbuds in and the sound design was pretty great. ⁓ The second time I was watching it, was thinking about how would this scene work without the sound design and I don't think it would have worked very well at all.

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:58)
Mm.

Mmm.

Deadbeat Co-Host (04:19)
⁓

because I don't know how many people do that but ⁓ it's kind of cool with the Apple earbuds you can sync to. have an Apple TV ⁓ little box so you can sync those. Yeah and it's a pretty cool experience and I just have like the the cheapy kind of earbuds but ⁓ my brain kind of goes back and forth between like I'm listening to the audio

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:31)
Right. Yeah, I do too.

Mm-hmm.

Deadbeat Co-Host (04:49)
really mostly thinking about that, especially being an audio guy. then I'm watching what's, I can almost like separate the two. I'm just watching what's on screen and not necessarily ⁓ hearing it in same way because it's right in my ear. So it's kind of hard to explain, ⁓ the, I thought the sound design there was really, really great. And I've been noticing that here and there in the show, there's some pretty cool.

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:59)
Mmm.

Really? Okay.

Deadbeat Co-Host (05:19)
moments that I think elevate the ⁓ Just the mood and the tone at times, you know where I just think about that at times like there was no sound design here because There's not I don't think there was necessarily any music. It's just sound design, you know during that there during that interrogation scene, so it it's significant

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:36)
I think so too. Yes. Like you could, yeah, sorry.

Yeah, because if there was any kind of bodily reaction, like Taniel's bodily reaction, there was that sound and you felt like almost you could feel the pain, whatever their pain was happening in their head, like you could feel it. ⁓ It's interesting because I definitely watched that scene. I mostly watch a lot of shows with earbuds in, not on my TV though, because I'm watching it on like,

Deadbeat Co-Host (05:52)
Yeah.

Mhm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:06)
on my laptop because my son, you know, usually my son's here. So I know, I know. Well, I actually, this episode I did finally watch. Was it more than first, the first half? It was like the first half on my actual big screen TV because no one was home. And I don't, I mean, he, this episode, like he probably could have watched, like he can take that scary stuff.

Deadbeat Co-Host (06:09)
How dare you! my god.

Yeah, I get that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:36)
you know, I think he could have handled it. In fact, there was a call that I think I must have been watching it on my laptop at one point. He was like leaning over my shoulder. Okay. But yeah, so I, that episode, I mean, that's neat. That part was later on. So I definitely watched that with my head. Actually. Yeah. I was watching that with my earbuds in on the laptop. Yeah. So a lot of times I am listening through my earbuds.

Deadbeat Co-Host (06:36)
Yeah, yeah.

Hmm, interesting, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:01)
I guess we could talk more about that part. Yes. It can take away or it can completely make the scene. Yeah, I agree.

Deadbeat Co-Host (07:03)
Sound is really important. ⁓

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So

that, that I loved.

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:15)
Yeah. Anymore loves?

Deadbeat Co-Host (07:21)
In kind of a weird and unhealthy way, sort of love that the kids got into, ⁓ they got the idea to take like mom's downers. I was like, okay, let's go.

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:32)
yeah. Lily was like, they were figuring

it out. Like the fears and yeah, that was pretty funny.

Deadbeat Co-Host (07:43)
Yeah. I gotta kick out of

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:43)
⁓ Good thinking,

good thinking. Okay.

Deadbeat Co-Host (07:48)
And that's it. I think that's it.

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:49)
Okay.

All right. Well, okay. For my hate ⁓ that the police couldn't see the pictures, but of course they couldn't see the pictures. mean, duh, that would have been like the end of the series if they could see the pictures. I really hated Marge, you know, and her plotting or whatever the heck she was doing. ⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (08:07)
yeah... yeah...

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:09)
I mean, obviously I

didn't want that to happen to her. was horrendous, but she's such a little... ⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (08:14)
No, yeah, how that played out leading up

to it. It was like, ⁓ really? And again, the actress that plays Lily, is that her name? Yeah, like she's just amazing. She's so good.

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:24)
Lily. Yeah. ⁓

She's

so good and she's, there's something, that voice, her voice is just adorable. She's like, like when she got excited, I don't remember the guy's name, who looks like 25. She looks about 12 and he's like, hey, I'm like, is that a teacher? Like what is, he's like 25 years old. How is he? Probably is in real life too. Well, yeah. But she's like, my gosh. She was a little bit gullible though. thought a little quickly.

Deadbeat Co-Host (08:43)
Yeah. Oh, did he?

Wow.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:01)
But, ⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (09:03)
Yeah, but so like,

yeah, I was totally sucked into that and was like, you know, I just had all this empathy for it. was like, oh man, or sympathy, you know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:15)
I know.

I mean, she was just in the, she was in the quote, nut house twice. I mean, you really, sorry to be jerk, but like the hot guy's like, Hey, I mean, guys do love the psycho girls. What can I say?

Deadbeat Co-Host (09:21)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I thought about that.

Wow. Yep, there's something to that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:35)
That's a whole other thing.

I was kind of struggling. I can't say I hate. I didn't love the story.

I didn't love the Native American story for a couple of things. I the backstory, it went on too long. I don't know. I was like, my God, what? This is like half the show. I don't know why it I felt very like I also this the bad spirit, the evil spirit fell from out of the sky. I was like, really? That's the origin. Because like I actually went back and was like, wait a minute, was it a meteor? You know, falling star, whatever.

Deadbeat Co-Host (09:50)
Okay. Okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:17)
And then I replayed it and they're like, the evil spirit fell out of the sky. Came with the star. was like, wait a minute. What? I don't know. Does that seem lame? don't like what.

Deadbeat Co-Host (10:28)
Yeah.

Yeah, well that's interesting.

Okay, so I... When I first watched it, I just did a first pass. I... yeah, I was not buying it. I was like, ⁓ really? Okay. but on the second viewing, I was more into it. I just... I guess I kind of settled into it a little bit more. But yeah, Evilborn from...

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:53)
Okay.

Deadbeat Co-Host (11:00)
a broken star and...

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:03)
I fell out of the sky. was like, I feel like it's somebody like, ⁓ where did it come from? The sky? Like, do mean?

Deadbeat Co-Host (11:04)
that fell out of the sky.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I thought they kind of strung it together pretty well. mean, with that in mind, I mean, it's like, well, OK, it's a thing that just came out of the sky, you know, from a broken star. So, I mean, you can kind of do anything with that, I guess, you know. But, you know, and the religion thread and, you know, white settlers and

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:43)
Yes.

Deadbeat Co-Host (11:44)
⁓ was obviously, I guess we're just talking about, screenplay stuff. I mean, there's obviously some historical accuracy there, but I don't think the show was really going for that at all in the storyline, but. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:55)
Yeah. Yeah.

Well, they were, did, did you watch after the show? They had little, they were like talking about it. It was almost like a little after show.

Deadbeat Co-Host (12:12)
Yeah, I did. I did. But I wonder about that stuff sometimes, you know. I just, I'm like, okay, you know, it's to me, it's like an advertisement or, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:13)
So like, obviously like.

Well, yeah, but I, well, what I,

the first time I watched it, I really, I was just, I think I was just like trying to comprehend all the stuff going on in the backstory and the woman who dies, like the young girl's mother, right? She dies, I can't remember her name, but what she sees, her fear is a white, like religious, you know, you're

Deadbeat Co-Host (12:42)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:50)
I guess European, right? Religion, the way he's dressed. The first time I watched it, really was like, didn't, I was just like, this looks like a creepy person. I really didn't see that for some reason. And that was her fear of the white settlers. So that was her fear going after her. I was like, okay, okay. And I respect, I like that it's Native American. I think that makes sense, going back that far and that they were, you know,

Deadbeat Co-Host (13:04)
Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:17)
strong woman fighting and I loved all that. I just felt like the explanation of it and like having the little kid be like, yes, Auntie. And she's like, do you remember the story? I don't know. It's like that part. was like, oh my God, let's go. don't know. just like, I don't know. For some reason I'm like, this is going on for too

Deadbeat Co-Host (13:31)
Yeah.

Well, I

just to finish my point like yeah, it's it's kind of a it's a trope, know, that's been it's something we've seen Many times, you know in in stories along these lines about colonialization or ⁓ borrowing that Backstory from historical events and sort of

baking it up a little bit differently. you know that the we don't have a name for him, but the priest, right? That has the baby comes out of his chest. So that I guess if you're, know, to your point about I forgot what her sesky, I think her name was the Native American woman.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:08)
Right. Yes.

I don't remember her name. Okay.

Deadbeat Co-Host (14:26)
I guess if that's her fear, then what we see on screen is her fear and that's not necessarily like what that guy was because obviously, you know, that's got like a supernatural element to it. You know, he becomes giant like Nosferatu and the baby comes out of his chest and like the whole thing. ⁓ So.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:38)
Yeah. It's huge. Yeah.

Well, now that I'm

thinking, okay, wait a minute, sorry to interrupt you. Now that I'm thinking about it with, you know, it just fell out of the sky. Could that be, I mean, their way, you know, old, the old, old stories will just be like, the gods were mad or like the sky was coming down or the clouds. What, could there be an alien tie maybe? Like instead of just like them saying, it fell from the sky on a star.

Because that was what they thought, you know, Native Americans with nature and the sky, like, it just fell from the sky. But perhaps there's like an alien connection? Like, maybe?

Deadbeat Co-Host (15:23)
Mmm.

Yeah, yeah, mean there's definitely,

so we're in episode four, I mean there's definitely, there's definitely plenty of time for them to take this and expand it and, you know, build out the story, the backstory, or for sure. So we'll see. But, okay. I was on board with it, even though was, I can totally understand someone singing it as kind of like, well, this again, kind of wonky, but I liked it.

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:35)
Give more information.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Ha ha ha!

Deadbeat Co-Host (15:57)
I'm alright with it.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:01)
I I loved the visuals. loved, like I said, there was there's stuff that I loved about it, ⁓ but.

Deadbeat Co-Host (16:05)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:08)
All right, that was it for hates.

Deadbeat Co-Host (16:12)
Yeah, I did not actually have any hates for this. There was nothing in it that I was like, hmm. It's a very strong word. Yep. Yep.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:15)
Okay. Yeah. I mean, again, hate is a strong word. It's very strong word. ⁓

I have a dopey I can relate ⁓ when Rose says, I'll never say no to a cup of coffee. was like, I can relate. D'err. Dopey.

Deadbeat Co-Host (16:32)
Okay. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. I thought that as well. mean, obviously, yeah, yeah, big coffee drinker. that's, ⁓ I can definitely relate to that. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:45)
Wait, I have to say, I could be totally wrong, okay. ⁓ Something's bothering. I don't know what part, maybe it would just be a thought or a question. When Charlotte's talking to Grogan there, Hank Grogan, right? ⁓ Ronnie's dad. When she goes back to him the second time and basically says like, using the paperwork, you can just go under house arrest. And he was like, I can be under house arrest or whatever. She goes, well, you know, the paperwork takes a minute. Was that a saying back then?

Deadbeat Co-Host (16:54)
Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:14)
that take a minute, things are gonna take a beat, take a minute. I'm like.

Deadbeat Co-Host (17:15)
⁓ man, you know,

I'm glad you said that because... ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:20)
Okay.

Deadbeat Co-Host (17:23)
I didn't want to bring it up. I was like, all right, I'm just going to slip by that because, yeah, that took me out of it. was like, no, ⁓ that's an oversight from the script supervisor. No. And I don't want to say that because to this point, the lingo was very of that era. It's going to take a minute.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:24)
me.

Yeah.

Yeah!

Deadbeat Co-Host (17:52)
You know, like, no, nobody said that. That I'm aware of. think that's a fairly new piece of vernacular. yeah, that took me on for a second. It was like a record scratch. like, what? Oh, okay, all right.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:53)
I know, I'm like, yeah, I...

I think it's kind of new. I think so too. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. I was

a little, yeah, I was a little disappointed. Cause actually, and I think in the, in a scene not far before that, when ⁓ Marge asks Lily to have lunch and she's like, that'd be swell. She was like, peachy. You know, it was a little bit, not forced, but like they were using those words then. And then she's like, the paperwork's going to take a minute. like, anyway. Yeah. I got a little annoyed about that. I don't, I don't like that. ⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (18:31)
Yeah, right, because the delivery

at times of some of that ⁓ is, it doesn't feel like completely natural, you know? Because obviously, none of these actors, basically, almost all of them were not alive during that time. it's, and...

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:47)
Right.

Yeah, yeah.

Deadbeat Co-Host (18:57)
Right, not all actors are equal, blah blah blah. But yeah, some of it comes off as a little, like, just unnatural at times.

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:00)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So that bothered me a little bit. ⁓

Oh, I have not sure how I feel about the whole Marge scene. It was very gross. I actually had trouble watching that. Like that really, the eyes and then her trying to chop 'em I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I like had to look away. was like, oh my God. That really grossed me out. That wasn't one there. mean, but that's not like I'm so scared. That's just like, holy crap. Like, oh my God. But.

Deadbeat Co-Host (19:23)
Yeah.

Yeah,

that's for the people that have the gore fetish. They love that stuff.

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:43)
It's a different kind

of gore though. I guess there's just certain, I don't know if it's a different kind of gore, but there's certain things that...

Yeah, stuff with the eyes. Yeah, definitely. Really. That eyes definitely bothered me more than other body parts. It's like chop off my arm. That's fine. Chop off their arm. It's fine. Something with the eye. Not the eyes.

Deadbeat Co-Host (19:59)
Yeah, I mean, everybody's got their thing. They're no, that, not that. Yeah. Yeah, it was,

yeah, I we talked a little bit about that. mean, that's like not my thing, but I actually fast forwarded that. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:21)
I fast forwarded when she was in the

classroom with the slicer and I was like, no, no, no, I don't know what's happening. I'm like, ⁓ and then they, of course they transitioned to Charlotte cutting the tomatoes. I was like, seriously? Or whatever she was cutting.

Deadbeat Co-Host (20:35)
Yeah, punctuated that scene with Marge, with Charlotte in the kitchen.

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:38)
Ugh.

And I have to,

yeah. Like I just have to say though, almost the whole, well, it wasn't the whole school, but a lot of kids basically saw a girl who was just in the nut house holding a knife up to her friend, all bloody. But I'm sure you saw, did you see any previews at all? Didn't you watch some kind of reel? Okay.

Deadbeat Co-Host (20:54)
Yeah.

I did. I

saw the teaser reel that they put on socials this week. the one complete with F-bombs and everything. was like, okay, cool. I mean, it is a show, but I was like, yeah, now we're getting to some shit. It's gonna be, you know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:11)
Instagram or something? Yeah.

Yeah. Did

you, well, did you see Marge with the eyepatch? Okay. So clearly, well, obviously she joins forces with them because she saw the scary crap probably, but also I'm thinking, no, no, I think she chopped her eyeball out of herself. Anyway, I'm thinking.

Deadbeat Co-Host (21:26)
I did notice her. Yeah. Yeah.

How do have those things come out of your eyeballs and live? ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:51)
Okay, because once again, like I said, Lily looks nuts. I'm like, is Lily not gonna be sent away and Marge is gonna say she did not try, she didn't cut my eyeball off of me. Like, is Marge gonna stand up for, like, I'm just curious if they're gonna touch on that or it's not gonna be like off screen. Remember we talked about things being wrapped up and I hope that's addressed.

Deadbeat Co-Host (21:55)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, me

too. I'm still not over the lack of explanation after the theater massacre. know, but I guess, hey, they've got to... The creators, I'm sure they have a pace in mind and they've got to make decisions, you know, not everything makes the cut.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:22)
right.

Yeah.

And if they really think that Hank did it, wouldn't they be like, where are the bodies? Like the parents want the body, know, like supposedly they haven't found the bodies. I don't know. Some of this stuff is bothering me. Leroy Hanlon can see the red balloon. He's seen it twice. So why? So how come he can? And then, so now I'm thinking about...

Deadbeat Co-Host (22:45)
Yeah.

Mmm, yeah.

Another great sequence with Leroy and his son. was really cool.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:06)
⁓ yes, the fishing, that was awesome. I liked that too.

Like filming it from the water and hearing the water and that was really cool. So I was thinking...

Deadbeat Co-Host (23:16)
Yeah. Yeah. Me too.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:22)
I think in one of the first episodes, or maybe, right? When General Shaw is, we find out was testing Leroy ⁓ by having him be attacked, he was like, I've never seen anything like you. You have no fear. Because of, it sounds like because of a brain injury possibly that he has no fear or he just had no fear. I thought, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but so if Leroy has no fear, he's definitely

Deadbeat Co-Host (23:31)
Mmm.

Yeah. Yep.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:53)
stronger than most, but he has to have a fear, like when it comes to maybe his son, like a fear that his son will get hurt. Like I was like starting to think about that. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Does he see the red balloon? Cause he doesn't have normal, but he has fear. I was like, I was like trying to, why is he seeing the red balloon? Why can he see that? Why is it letting him see the red balloon or anyway. Yeah.

Deadbeat Co-Host (23:54)
Yep.

Yeah, because he sees it twice, right?

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:21)
Mm-hmm.

Also, he believes, again, all these other parents don't believe these kids. All these kids, he believes his son, he said, I believe he was scared. He could see the fear in his son's eyes where it's like all these other parents, again, from what I've read on fan pages, they're like, the parents are, Derry has a cast, the town has them under almost a spell.

Deadbeat Co-Host (24:32)
Yeah, he believes his son.

Mm-hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:57)
Anyway, just, was just trying to.

⁓ duh, now it's clicking. Something else just clicked. Doink, bing. General Shaw says, I've never seen anything like you. You don't have any fear. General Shaw knows that the weapon, IT feeds off fears. That's why he wants Leroy. Yes. ⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (25:02)
Yeah, people, people, people. Okay, what you got?

Let's what's he got?

⁓ that's why he wanted him there.

Right, because, okay, well obviously he's a high-ranking military man, so he has a lot of information that he's not letting on about. And they're not showing us in the show.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:40)
Right. Right.

Deadbeat Co-Host (25:53)
So, it's getting more and more interesting. Well, I'll definitely say that, you know? Yeah, yeah, was, I think this was of the four episodes. I think this might be my favorite so far.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:57)
Yep. Making me think.

⁓

I still like three better. Not that I didn't like this one. I think I just, I think I just like the graveyard thing. Cause yeah, it was cool. ⁓ Who do you think Hank Grogan was with?

Deadbeat Co-Host (26:11)
Three was really good. Yeah, three was really good too.

Yeah, well that's, yeah, that's better.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:28)
married white woman. Maybe it's Patty's mom. I was like trying to think of like, it has to be, I feel like it has to be a parent of somebody we've seen. Patty's mom.

Deadbeat Co-Host (26:29)
Yeah.

Patty's mom.

We haven't met her, right? No. Yeah. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:43)
Nope. I just keep thinking it

has to be, we have to know the kid. I don't know. It would be, I just feel like there has to be a connection with somebody.

Deadbeat Co-Host (26:53)
I think I made like

a, like a, just a, you know, gut ⁓ instinct guess that maybe it was Lily's mom. I don't know why, but.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:04)
But he

said she was married, Lily's mom, and that he would be basically killed because, especially because of the marriage thing.

Deadbeat Co-Host (27:07)
No. Okay.

⁓ yeah. Yep, okay, well there's one off the list.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:14)
Because Lily's mom is a widow.

There you go. I thought of her for a minute. I didn't think of her for a hot second. It's gonna take a beat. ⁓ What? I know.

Deadbeat Co-Host (27:23)
for minute. It's gonna take a minute. What? What's a minute?

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:31)
⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (27:32)
That's like in Back to the Future when he asked me, like, give me a tab or something. He's like, you know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:36)
The soda, yeah. They don't make those anymore.

They don't even make those anymore.

Deadbeat Co-Host (27:41)
⁓

Yeah...

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:45)
⁓ Anyway.

Deadbeat Co-Host (27:46)
Yeah,

don't obviously, I'm gonna go ahead and say that we then, okay, so that was my college try at guessing. But duh, yeah, they already said that she's married. So I'm gonna go ahead and that we haven't seen, we haven't met that character yet.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:55)
Ha!

I don't think we've met the woman, but I feel like somebody's daughter or kid. Not one of the losers though, like I don't think. I feel like it's a more prominent kid. Like that's why it would even be more scandalous or something. I don't know. That's my feeling. Like Patty, or like one of those.

Deadbeat Co-Host (28:10)
Yeah.

Okay, okay. ⁓ all

right. So you're thinking it's the mother of one of the kids that we've already met, possibly.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:38)
Yes, I do. I think,

cause I, I'm think I'm, went right to Patty because Patty is, she's the leader of them that her family probably has money. You know what I mean? Like that, I don't know. She is, she is queen of the Patty cakes and stupid. That would be even more scandalous. Like if she's a prominent, a member of a prominent family, I don't know if they're a prominent family, but they're

Deadbeat Co-Host (28:52)
She's queen of the patty

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:08)
Prominent people can be in Derry but I don't know.

Deadbeat Co-Host (29:10)
Right? They're prominent shitheads. Maybe they're great people and their daughter's a jerk, who knows.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:13)
Or could be, yeah,

right. Or could there, or could it be a military person? His wife. I don't know. I don't know. Now I want to know. Now I want to know. Here's just other, speaking of military, since Hanlon is military, wouldn't he have some pull with Grogan? Like,

Deadbeat Co-Host (29:29)
Hmm. ⁓ Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:43)
I mean, I know he doesn't, I don't know. It just annoys me a little bit about that whole thing.

Deadbeat Co-Host (29:47)
⁓

what you think and just

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:52)
Like, yeah, or something, I mean.

Deadbeat Co-Host (29:52)
getting him out of there or?

But why would he want to though? Why would he want to get, at this point, would, why would Hanlon had wanted to get Grogan out of jail because he...

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:04)
He want to get Grogan out of jail because he was

wrongfully accused.

Deadbeat Co-Host (30:12)
Yeah, but he seems like he's just focused on his military.

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:15)
I know, but also it's

the girl that, you know, it's the daughter of his son's crush too. That's kind of why Charlotte was... ⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (30:22)
Yeah, well, all right. I'm pushing back on that a little bit because

the I think just from a script structure where we've got his wife doing that. So that's why that's why that character is probably not doing it yet.

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:40)
Yeah.

Right,

and also he doesn't want her to do these things to make waves in town and I don't know. just was kind of like, doesn't the military have a little more pull over the cops, these dumb cops? Stupid.

Deadbeat Co-Host (30:53)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that

was a little ⁓ tense moment between Charlotte and Leroy in the kitchen. And she, she, she was like, don't worry about me. He was like, I'm just going to do what I want. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:01)
Grrrr

⁓ in the kitchen, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ha

Yeah.

Yep.

Deadbeat Co-Host (31:21)
And he's like, okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:23)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. All right. One more random thought. If those pills melted under the tongue, why didn't the one that fell in the toilet melt away?

Deadbeat Co-Host (31:27)
That was great.

yeah, she was trying to get that for a minute, right?

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:39)
Yeah, that was grossing

me out. was like, no, no, no.

Deadbeat Co-Host (31:45)
yeah, well I guess she was in panic mode so she was really aggressively reaching for that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:49)
Yeah. I mean, maybe

I would have done that too.

Deadbeat Co-Host (31:54)
I know, but it's not like... It's not like... You just put it around, you're like, everything's good, you know? like, boom! Like, it's like a, you know, like a switch you throw. Takes 20. I needed 20. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:55)
Where's my happy pill?

Yeah, it's good.

Yeah, no, I know. Takes 20 minutes to settle in usually. 20 or... Takes a minute.

By the way though, Marge was just about to tell her what was going down. Like in the bathroom, she was just about to confess it when she got the pain in the eyes.

Deadbeat Co-Host (32:23)
Yeah, she was too...

Really conflicted about it, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:31)
Yeah, least there's that.

Deadbeat Co-Host (32:35)
Yeah, that whole thing was, again, I think just really that actress is gonna have to get her name on the mental roll the ex. Really just, you know, sent that home because of her performance, in my opinion, was so strong.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:46)
her real name or the characters. I don't even know what her real name is. bad.

Mm hmm. All of them are they're really good. They're very good. Will is so cute. Yeah.

Deadbeat Co-Host (33:04)
yeah yeah but Lily Lily's on some like this

little something extra extra sauce or something I don't know get that thing

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:14)
Yeah. Yeah, no, she's...

It's, it'll be interesting to see if, you know, after this series, like to see her in a different part of more of like a happy person or like, I don't know. be interesting where she goes with this, but career, but she's very good. She tugs at you, man. She tugs at you. You're just like, she'll be like, it's okay. No, you're like.

Deadbeat Co-Host (33:29)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Right. Yeah, you don't want anything to happen to her. Not at all. I mean,

you don't want anything to happen to any of the kids, but really her and, ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:50)
Right. Ugh.

They're all like, they're all so cute. really are.

Deadbeat Co-Host (33:55)
Yeah, I-

Yeah,

it's a great ensemble and it was cool to see them go back to their hideout spot and have a meeting and you know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:05)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Deadbeat Co-Host (34:12)
little pow wow talk things out

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:14)
Yeah. And then there

was Madeleine Stowe. Madeleine Stowe was there.

Deadbeat Co-Host (34:19)
Okay, so I figured out

⁓ where I, it turned out, it turns out I had not really seen her in many things at all, but my point of reference for her is 12 Monkeys with Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt.

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:32)
⁓

thank you. That's what, maybe that was more for me too. Why didn't I see that? No, I.

Deadbeat Co-Host (34:38)
Which I haven't seen in ages, but I remember

being really into that when it was out. That's gotta be 20 years old. Maybe? Or maybe like late 90s. Which would be... I don't even... I'm only like 39, so... That's uh, yeah. I was just 20 years old, I was like, why am at 30? It's like 30 years old.

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:43)
Mm-hmm.

I forgot about that.

I'd have to look it up. Yeah.

Mmm.

Huh. Yeah. Yeah.

Deadbeat Co-Host (35:10)
Mm-hmm.

I can't. My publicist doesn't want that information getting out. He'll be like, my god!

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:26)
okay, what were we talking about? We talking about Madeleine Stowe. Okay. Now, wait, now let me think about Madeleine Stowe. In that conversation in the diner or whatever, she, guess we learned that there were other, there were a of children like went missing and back how many years before. So that's like, was her part, right? To let us know that or to let Lily know that and start to see.

Deadbeat Co-Host (35:30)
Mounds though, yep. ⁓

Yeah.

Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:53)
above how she was like, you know, they ran away to lessen the burden. Like that many children? The cost is so much money. Like, my God.

Deadbeat Co-Host (35:57)
Yeah, you know, with these kids, mean, sometimes you just gotta let them go. mean, you know, there's only so much food. Yeah, so expensive. ⁓

Yeah, that was a little like dismissive, to say the least. Yeah. Yeah, that I ⁓ kind of.

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:15)
evil spirit fell out of the sky, okay?

Deadbeat Co-Host (36:26)
trying think what else went on during that scene but I guess not really that much that I can remember. I I may have missed an important line, but I think so.

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:29)
Yeah.

No, I mean, well, I think

the important thing she says, which was true, probably true with all the IT, anything with the IT series or movies is her father said, with good friends by your side, you can accomplish anything or something like that. So I just like emphasizing the friendship part.

Deadbeat Co-Host (36:52)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, which is a really cool. ⁓

to this point is a really cool part of the show with that, you know, the group of the young kids and also the group of the military officers, you know, they seem to be all pretty tight. I'm not so sure about that one. We'll see what happens, but you know, they seem pretty tight so far and in each other's corner. So I do like that part of show and the writing.

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:05)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, me too.

Deadbeat Co-Host (37:35)
the I have I wrote down follow the tunnels

under the old well and you'll find the pillars. That was the, I think that was the last line of the show. Follow the tunnels under the old well and you'll find the pillars when they were standing out in front of that house. What was that house? Have we seen that? Do we know what that is?

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:46)
okay.

No, I don't. Yeah.

Deadbeat Co-Host (37:59)
That was the very end when

they're... Yeah, because now we get another right... I don't know what you call it, but... ⁓

It's almost like a time travel thing where Halloran is in the bedroom with the kid. But then I think they...

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:18)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Deadbeat Co-Host (38:27)
walk out of that or they transition out of that ⁓ with Taniel and Halloran but it's but it's present-day Taniel

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:32)
Daniel T.

Yes.

Deadbeat Co-Host (38:42)
you know and they're they're standing in front of the house and i think that's his that's Taniel's line so

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:44)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Deadbeat Co-Host (38:51)
which was great. thought it was a pretty solid cliffhanger line right there. Okay, we're getting a little closer to the lore being in sewers.

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:06)
Yes. Cause it's all about those sewers. Yeah.

Deadbeat Co-Host (39:09)
⁓ that I'm aware of at least with it from the seven hour movie that came out in the 90s.

Did you see it was the 30th anniversary of that?

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:18)
Yeah, you said that to me. Yes, I couldn't believe it. 30. 30th or no, wait, it wasn't 30th. It's like.

Deadbeat Co-Host (39:20)
And I was like, wow.

1995.

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:31)
No, it came, no, was 19, it was 35th. It 1990, it was 35th.

Deadbeat Co-Host (39:39)
we already talked about

ages and stuff. can't do that. Never mind. It was an anniversary yesterday. ⁓ that's right.

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:43)
But it was November 18th, yeah.

We were two. We watched it though. Yes.

Deadbeat Co-Host (39:52)
Right, we're young. We're lucky, really lucky to see it. Okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:59)
All right, any other thoughts?

Deadbeat Co-Host (40:01)
I think ⁓ through just you and I discussing it, I answered my own question, but I did write down like why, presumably IT, chose Marge at this point, but I guess it makes sense. know, she's, I mean, she definitely, is cringing and demonstrates like a fear of when they're watching that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:24)
Mm-hmm.

Deadbeat Co-Host (40:25)
⁓

movie in classroom she's like, know, but also all the other stuff with the inner conflict and she definitely has a insecurity and ⁓ lack of confidence.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:36)
I think also to set up Lily,

it was to set up Lily again though to look crazy. I think that was part of it. I think IT did that on purpose. I don't know.

Deadbeat Co-Host (40:43)
Mmm. Yeah,

okay. Yeah

Right, right.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:48)
always

setting her up to look nuts.

Deadbeat Co-Host (40:52)
Well, it definitely worked. It definitely worked.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:53)
Yeah, kids are in great,

great situations. I know. Come on.

Deadbeat Co-Host (40:58)
Yeah, I was like, oh man,

this kid can't catch a break.

Jacqueline Hanzl (41:03)
Nope. Nope. ⁓

Deadbeat Co-Host (41:07)
So that's... yeah. And then, oh, okay, well, I guess we talked about it little bit, but At the end, we get story time, which again, when I first came up, I was like, huh, okay, you know, here we go. But yeah, we touched on it already, I guess. What do call that? Like it's exposition or something, I think.

Jacqueline Hanzl (41:21)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

You're the one who took the class, didn't you? Take a class.

Deadbeat Co-Host (41:33)
⁓ Yeah,

yeah. think it's exposition. I looked for that book, I can't find it.

Jacqueline Hanzl (41:42)
You can't

find your, he had a textbook from a film class. What was the name of the film class?

Deadbeat Co-Host (41:44)
No. And ⁓

I think it was something super generic like, ⁓ you know, film study 101 or something like that. But the book, the name of the book was Understanding Movies. And actually, you know, it was a little bit more ⁓ like technical, excuse me, technical, you know, than like

Jacqueline Hanzl (41:52)
No.

Okay, okay.

⁓ okay.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Deadbeat Co-Host (42:14)
Screenplay Readinger, you know. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (42:14)
Yeah, okay.

Deadbeat Co-Host (42:17)
That's it. That's what I got. Yeah. thought it was a great episode.

Jacqueline Hanzl (42:17)
All right, that's all you got. All right.

Yeah,

it was good. It was good. Alright.

Deadbeat Co-Host (42:28)
and

Cool, alright, well we'll do it again. Yeah, looking forward to next week and, or actually this week.

Jacqueline Hanzl (42:29)
Looking forward to this week. ⁓

Yeah.

Bye now.

Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. Until next time. Bye.

Deadbeat Co-Host (42:46)
Yep, see you next time.

Bye.