IT: Welcome to Derry S1 E5 29 Neibolt Street Has a Lot Going On

Jackie & Jeff delve into the 5th episode of HBO Max's IT: Welcome to Derry, '29 Neibolt Street.' 

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00:00 Intro

02:12 Love

06:46 Hate

12:06 Thoughts/Questions

40:04 Wrap Up

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Transcript

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:08)
Hi, this is Jackie.

Belly Cat (00:10)
This is belly cat.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:12)
And this is HomeBodiesOnly

Where we welcome all bodies, cats included, join us as we break down and dissect HBO Max series. And this episode, we are talking about season one of IT Welcome to Derry episode 5, 29 Neibolt Street. Okay. I have a summary here. As the military descends on Neibolt Street, the kids head into the sewers with their own objective. All right. What were you going to say?

Belly Cat (00:47)
That's what they give

on the summary, that's it? Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:49)
That was on HBO. mean,

who's ever listening or watching this obviously watched the episode, I would think. They don't really need me to summarize.

Belly Cat (00:55)
Yeah.

What's the title of this episode?

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:00)
29 Neibolt Street.

Belly Cat (01:02)
⁓ okay. I think they should have called it, In the sphincter of your soul.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:11)
The last one was the swirling apparatus of whatever and this is, they do talk about the sphincter, yes. Yes. Halloran's dad, yeah. By the way, I'm slowly reading the book and it's, it mentions different things, obviously from this and it is, I've never read Stephen King. He, I mean, I get it. He is so good. my God. He is so good. So.

Belly Cat (01:14)
Well, uh, Halen's dad. Or is it Hal- Sorry, Halloran. Yeah.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:41)
I got it from the library. I don't know if I'm going to be able to renew it again. I might have to buy it because I already renewed it once.

Belly Cat (01:46)
Yeah,

only... I read Misery and Pet Sematary. It was a long time ago. But I definitely remember them as, you know, really loving both of those books.

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:01)
Yeah. God, he's good. Like he's, can be so crude and gross, but also like deep and romantic. Like he's just, he's, he's great. Okay. So let's get into loves. When Lily says, everybody thinks she did that to Marge and Richie's like, well.

Not us, you know, like ⁓ everybody at school, the post office, my barber.

Belly Cat (02:33)
Yeah, yeah, that was funny. That was funny.

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:35)
I love

him. I loved that Hank escaped, although I'm a little, you know, obviously uneasy about it. I loved that Ingrid went to Charlotte. ⁓ I loved them. Obviously why you have the belly cat there, them on the happy pills. That was definitely my favorite part. Like watching this episode three times, like we both did, that was just, I could watch that again.

Belly Cat (02:55)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:02)
their voices and I don't know if they messed with their voice. think they messed with their voices a little bit. There wasn't just them doing that, but, she's like, your hands are so soft. No, she's like, really? ⁓ God. It was so good. I don't.

Belly Cat (03:09)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, she was like, that's

weird thing to say or something like that. That was really funny.

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:24)
Hahaha!

Three pills though? don't, that, I don't know. I don't know if that would have.

Belly Cat (03:33)
Yeah, we

gotta get a dosage amount to get the full understanding.

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:37)
Yeah,

yeah. Also, I mean, obviously they got the shock of their lives, but they really like came out of it pretty fast. Like, I don't know if you took those three pills and you'd sober up. I don't know. All right.

Belly Cat (03:47)
Yeah, yeah, I think they didn't have them.

I wonder if that's like a callback to the time or to that era of Mommy's Little Helper. It certainly sounds like it.

⁓ you know, slang, but anyway. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:05)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. What you got for Loves?

Belly Cat (04:12)
Let's see, I have...

I really did love Matty's scene at the clubhouse and describing the state of everybody down there. And that was pretty gruesome and terrifying, I thought. And the way he played it, the actor played it too, it was like pretty...

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:29)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Belly Cat (04:45)
Stoic and I thought his acting was great ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:49)
Yeah.

Belly Cat (04:50)
I'm trying to remember is this is the first this is what we see what he comes out of the tent yeah yeah okay here maybe you are should've expected that but i did i didn't expect to see him

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:57)
Yeah.

⁓ I did not expect to see him. Yeah, I was surprised.

Belly Cat (05:16)
Yeah, oh, the, I also, I also like the police officer in the window, the door window with the billy club.

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:25)
The creepy looking one. Yeah.

Belly Cat (05:27)
Yeah, I was like

⁓ they gotta put that on a t-shirt or something. ⁓ It's a great image. And I think there might have been something beneath the window. I'm not sure. was like, know, ⁓ Derry Police Department or something like that. But yeah, so that was really cool.

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:33)
Yeah, yeah, that was a good one. Yes.

Yes, yes.

Yet

it almost looked like a painting or a drawing, the way.

like the way they showed him.

Belly Cat (05:58)
⁓ I also had

scene when, ⁓ what's Leroy's flyboy buddy, what's his character's name? Pauly When he said, I see him too, and how that all went down with realizing that that wasn't a manifestation of fear. was actually done. Yeah, that was a really cool scene. I love that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:11)
Pauly. Pauly. Rusa.

Yes.

That was real, yeah. Wasn't a monster or whatever.

Yeah, that's good. anything else?

Belly Cat (06:36)
Yes, probably. Not off the top of my right now. That's all I had in my notes, but... I really like this episode. it keeps getting better. It's a great episode.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:38)
Okay. Okay.

Yeah, I liked it.

All right, hate. When the kids believed Matty when he said that IT slept in the day and fed at night. mean, so when I first saw Matty was like, I kind of believed it. was like, my God, all right, he's alive. And then when he said that, I was like, that doesn't make any sense because they saw the weird things during the day. Like right there, I feel like should have thrown them off a little bit.

Belly Cat (07:06)
Mmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:16)
I don't know. Like just at school with Marge and the eye thing was during the day, you know, I just so they, but I think they just wanted to believe him obviously. And then he was alive. I hated Ingrid's husband. Ew. He was so gross. Creepy. Okay.

Belly Cat (07:25)
Yeah, sure, sure. ⁓

Yeah, he's a total dreamboat. I thought he was amazing. I love them. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:45)
god, I'm gonna have a coughing fit.

So, a couple things with this one. So Lily falls, of course, when they're all running, because somebody has to fall and she's like, guys, wait up! And I'm like, wait, okay, a couple things.

Really? They think they're gonna wait up? They're running for their lives. And then I also think, and I know this might be being a little picky, I actually don't think kids said, wait up, guy. Like I feel like wait up, I don't know. Again, I feel like it's a little, I know it's like a little thing, but I feel like people didn't say that back then. They said like, wait for me. I don't know.

Belly Cat (08:03)
Yeah.

Yep. Yep.

Yeah,

I know we talked about that with the the which one of Charlotte's lines like It's They're taking minute. Yeah that one really stuck out to both of us that that line that you just mentioned didn't really catch my attention But yeah, you know details matter details

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:33)
Paperwork's gonna take a minute. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know.

Yes. ⁓ I didn't, I hated Paully getting killed when he was like, it's my turn. I was like, started of tear up. Yeah.

Belly Cat (08:56)
Yeah ⁓

I

know, I guess we maybe should have seen his demise coming somehow, but I didn't.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:04)
He, he,

I was thinking back to I think the first episode. can't remember what exactly he says, but he's kind of negative. ⁓

Like he, I think talking maybe about like nuclear weapons or something like that, he's like, it's inevitable. he just, he kind of, it's almost like a foreshadow. Yeah. ⁓

Belly Cat (09:18)
Yeah.

Yeah, he had different.

Right, doesn't share the same optimism as Leroy does when they arrive on base and as to what exactly they're going to be doing and what the outcome might be.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:39)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, I think those were my hates.

Belly Cat (09:52)
I didn't have too many because like I said, know this I think with this show I'm I'm prone to a lot of questions for sure than anything else but the When when Matt the thing one of the things that I hated was When Matty was saying he'd rather go back to the sewers and go back home Like

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:02)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Belly Cat (10:21)
⁓ back to his dad you know like i just felt like well wait a minute like i i don't know you know like i thought that was a weird beat and

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:32)
Yeah.

Belly Cat (10:34)
just kind of took me out of it a little bit for a second.

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:37)
Mm-hmm.

Belly Cat (10:41)
given the circumstances and of course we haven't met his dad and maybe we will but it's like wow okay you don't want to go back home then and I think one of the kids even even calls him out on that but in a way but it that that beat was just a little strange to me

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:48)
Yeah.

Yeah.

And when Ronnie's like, you can help my dad, like her dad's going to jail. Yeah, I don't know. And he's like, no. ⁓

Belly Cat (11:13)
Yeah, yeah, so maybe maybe it's a I don't know I don't what to make of that maybe it's a like a writing thing or something that's just didn't it's not strung together so well somehow but also I'm thinking as we're talking about this with his character you know

they're all surprised to see him and you know we didn't see him die he was trapped in that movie scene so we don't really know what's going on with him which is cool you know but ⁓ yeah anyway that kind of kind of that kind of irked me a little ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:37)
What happened?

Yeah.

It

irked me too, and I mean, obviously, the whole thing is, ⁓ they want to believe he's alive and that they can save at least somebody. So of course, almost anything he says, they're like, okay. Yeah. Like, I don't know. It's almost like, that's my take because they're kids. Okay. Thoughts/questions. All right. I,

Belly Cat (12:01)
Yeah, that's Okay.

but all of their roads out well i think the i didn't catch it this time through but i wrote down the charlotte said yeah no again she said yeah no i'm fine

So we're gonna have to run a fact check around that, but I think she said, yeah, no, in this show. Yeah, no, I'm fine.

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:24)
Okay. ⁓ like, yeah.

Belly Cat (12:31)
Like, so that's, and

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:31)
Yeah.

Belly Cat (12:33)
she must have, I wouldn't have written it down if she didn't. So, yeah, that's not very 1962, but all right. You know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:35)
Yeah, I don't remember, but.

Yeah.

Okay.

all right. Thoughts, questions. I knew something wasn't right with Matty, cause I was like, well, how could he live? What was he eating? I like how though, like his hair was longer. Cause you're like, okay, yeah, that's been four months. His hair is going to be longer. It's like, I was like, come on now. What was he eating? Like, and then the other guy sitting there not talking like.

Belly Cat (12:56)
Yeah.

started.

He started a he started a grunge band down there. He's the ⁓

He's a big fan of Nirvana, so he's going for the Kurt Cobain look. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:13)
He did look like him

Yeah.

Belly Cat (13:19)
Come

down to the sewers, guys. I'm gonna play you this sick album called Nevermind.

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:28)
I knnow he even have the flannel.

Belly Cat (13:31)
smells like teen spirit it smells like

dead kids down here oh you better be in a band by the end of this show god damn it

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:35)
smells like teen sh*t

my god. ⁓ my god.

That was great. Okay. my god, I'm choking. Okay. I did not see that coming with Ingrid and Hank. I did not see that. Remember I was like, it's a parent. It's the parent of a kid. So I didn't see that coming.

Belly Cat (14:11)
Yeah.

Yeah, I didn't either and...

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:18)
Yeah.

Belly Cat (14:22)
the, yeah, when he ends up in the back of her car, you know, it's like, ⁓ wow. And I don't know if I was, I mean, I didn't see that coming. I don't know if I was like surprised by it so much, I was sort of thinking more immediately about how he escaped the bus and what happened there.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:26)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Belly Cat (14:45)
Because he says someone attacked the bus. Or something.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:47)
He said, he said something attacked. I know I was going to bring

that up. So obviously.

Belly Cat (14:53)
like hmm

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:54)
It has to do with IT again. So I see I didn't watch episode six and you did. And I don't know if anything's more, you know, explained or anything with this, but I have a bad feeling about Ingrid and, ⁓

Belly Cat (15:05)
Hold it up like.

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:08)
Yeah, like it was all purposeful with him escaping and, cause if IT wanted to kill him, like I'm just trying to, I know, I'm trying to figure this out, but I think it obviously attacked the bus or had something to do with that. That's my thought. ⁓

Belly Cat (15:25)
Hmm. Okay. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:29)
That was my next thing. have like a bad feeling about Ingrid.

I think I might have told you this, but the people who on the fan pages and everything were saying right away that she is Bob Gray's daughter and she's that clown in the memory back from the beautiful girl, female clown, and that's her and there's some kind of tie there. So I'm just like, Bob Gray is the person form of

Belly Cat (15:50)
Yeah.

Wait,

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:02)
IT the clown, like, supposedly. Again, I'm not, I'm bad with this stuff. I don't know if Bob Gray's storyline is in the book or not, but I believe it's definitely in the chapter one and two, or one of those. ⁓ Yeah. So, and that's a fact, I guess, that...

Belly Cat (16:04)
⁓

movie.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:25)
her name and everything, like she was Bob Gray's daughter. Yeah, so I'm just like, what is happening? ⁓ Yeah. And I keep, now I keep thinking too how when we, when I first, we first started talking about the show and I looked into it they said their plan was to have three seasons and go back 27 years in each one.

Belly Cat (16:29)
Mmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:53)
And there hasn't been any kind of announcement of a season two yet, which I know they're not done yet with season one, but I don't know. Sometimes you hear about it while it's still on or whatever. ⁓ But then I'm like also thinking they're already like going back 27, like they're already telling us stories about 27 years previous. And like the Native Americans are talking about it. So I'm like, how are they going to do a whole season on that? ⁓

Belly Cat (17:14)
Mm-hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:23)
I don't know, I was starting to overthink everything. I was like...

Belly Cat (17:26)
No, no, yeah, well, when they're we have that scene At one of the Native American families homes where they have that meeting and They talk about the cycle, you know like I guess the first cycle began in 1835 the second one began in 1908

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:37)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Belly Cat (17:53)
⁓ So I was like, ⁓ what's that all about?

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:58)
Yeah, and that's what they had said the, that's what the seasons were gonna be. Like, and they were gonna go back. So.

Belly Cat (18:08)
I guess the flashback that we saw when the broken star landed, that would have been 1835.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:27)
Right, would think or yeah, no wait, that's the wrong amount, date.

Belly Cat (18:29)
No, because then had

colonialism happening. That would have been before that if they were going to be perfectly accurate on some level.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:37)
Wait.

Now it would have been, I'm so bad.

Wait a minute. I have to do the calculator right now. My brain is all messed up. If 19, oh, wait, 27 years.

Belly Cat (18:47)
So.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:56)
before 1908 would have been 1881.

So could that have been when the star fell to the ground?

Belly Cat (19:06)
I don't think

so. think it was way before that. I just thought it was interesting that they dropped two specific years in that conversation and wondering like, I wonder if we'll find out more about that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:08)
before that. Maybe it's... Okay.

All right, A.T. Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

why is it that 27 year amount? I don't know. That's mentioned in the book too, a little bit. mean, yeah, yep. I literally just got to the part about the 27 year cycle.

Belly Cat (19:33)
It is.

Hmm.

⁓ okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:44)
Yep. Nothing about Native Americans yet, so I don't think, no. Let's see. ⁓ the whole shine box, the box with the shine in it. Okay, so did he time travel, dimensional travel, what was happening? And then they show the box open just in some bath, that bathroom. And I was kind of like...

Is there some bathroom out there? I don't know. just was like, I don't like this stupid. I don't know.

Belly Cat (20:17)
Yeah.

Yeah, I was,

I was wondering about that too. Like, I was thinking, ⁓

Like how are we describing Halloran at this point? Is he like a psychic or a time traveler or some kind of like clairvoyant? Because obviously he has special abilities and he's seen a thing or two, you know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:44)
Yeah.

Well, and then also, sorry. Yes.

Belly Cat (20:51)
The mill obviously values him and

you know, he's interesting interesting character. And then yeah, it was I had written down like, you where is that the like that scene? Like, where is that lockbox?

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:06)
Right.

And like I thought maybe it was more like a symbolism.

very confused. Also he sees Russo, the dead guy, dead, like walking and he's like ⁓ and then they show the box so did that box unleash like more of his

Like is that box, is that symbolizing he used to have, he had control over it better, where he wasn't seeing things all the time, like, you know, where he'd only see things when he would focus and could just control, have more control over it.

Belly Cat (21:51)
Yeah. This is the first episode that that was introduced, right? Yeah. Yeah. So.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:56)
Yes. ⁓

Belly Cat (22:00)
Yeah, he? Yeah, because because Pauly definitely looks like a zombified version. And but but Halloran didn't. He just looked like he got out of there. Out of the sewer.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:08)
He's dead.

Right. Yes.

Yep.

Belly Cat (22:20)
And yeah, that whole scene where he falls in and then we're taken into the bathroom, which is, you know, we're seeing a lot of that with him. He just gets transported into different, you know, he's like a time traveler, you know, like. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:36)
goes to other places.

Yeah. And he stayed

in the same form that he is. Like he didn't go to a boy, you know, because obviously when he was with his grandparents, he was a kid.

Belly Cat (22:47)
Yeah

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:53)
Um, there's some tie with the shining and this as well. Um, that's another thing that I keep seeing. Again, I'm like so bad because I know these bits and pieces, but yeah, cause I guess that's Dick Halloran I think is a character from The Shining or something. And there's the shine box and having the shining, the shining, right? Isn't that the, yeah. So there's that too. Like there's just, I feel like there's so many layers.

Belly Cat (22:59)
Really?

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:23)
And which I like that about it, but it's like coming at it the way we are. It's like, wait a minute, there's more to this and I don't.

Belly Cat (23:34)
Yeah, I mean, it's I kind of love it because it's, you know, it's holding my attention for sure. And it's nice to not, you know, like, it's just fun to go into something cold. don't have any any expectations. It's my interest. So obviously, it's got, you know, a lot to offer in terms of like the intrigue of the show and what's with everything.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:35)
Know what it is.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, it is good.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's cool that people can watch it who are just coming in kind of cold, you know, obviously, we're proof.

Belly Cat (24:10)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. You don't have to have

read all the books and seen everything else, you know, the other movies and stuff, or it's the entertainment.

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:17)
Right. Movies and yeah.

⁓ Those were my thoughts and questions. What about you?

Belly Cat (24:28)
Yeah, I

was wondering if we're going to get any anything more on the potential significance of the house, the 29 Neibolt Street house. Because it's an abandoned home and. But what did they say that the access or the access to the sewers that is like?

from underneath the home or it's on the property or something.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:03)
I mean, they showed him going in and then, I don't know, that was weird. ⁓ Well, do you mean like, obviously I think that's where the...

Belly Cat (25:14)
I'm wondering like maybe No that the way I understood it I think I have this right is that the ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:14)
Pillars were, right? I mean, that's where.

Belly Cat (25:26)
access to the that leads to the pillars is from there on that property and I thought it was like they said it was you know I don't remember it was beneath the house or I don't know if that specifically matters so much but you know it's an old abandoned house and I'm just wondering if like oh maybe is there some like who used to live there or what's the significance of it. We'll find out.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:27)
that's the access to.

⁓

there.

Right. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Belly Cat (25:57)
So, ⁓ and then the, mentioned earlier about the cycles that they made, those specific years that they gave us. ⁓ It was also mentioned that the creature sheds. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:09)
Yeah.

Yes.

Belly Cat (26:18)
And the discharge has tainted the town's groundwater.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:22)
Yeah.

Belly Cat (26:24)
was like, oh. So let me know, I would explain like, know, compared to police officer.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:29)
You

Yeah Smells like Teen Spirit sorry ⁓

Belly Cat (26:36)
Smells like Teen Spirit Town.

Yeah, I mean, there's like... ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:42)
This town is doomed. It's doomed.

Belly Cat (26:45)
Yeah,

there's definitely some of the townsfolk are not so cool, that's for sure. for- ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:53)
Yeah. I'm also

getting stuck on the 27 because ⁓ if you look into numerology at all, I know a little bit about it, like that you always take numbers and you break them down till they get to the lowest form. Like you take your birth date in number form and you add them numbers together.

And it comes down to usually, it always can break down to a single digit. Like even when you have 10, you'd add the one plus the zero. So now I'm like, okay, so 27 years, know, that's two plus seven is nine. So is this something with the nines? Is there some symbolism with the nine actually, but not the 27? And three times nine, there's that three and I'm like getting stuck on this. And again.

Belly Cat (27:31)
Thank

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:49)
no idea what has to do with anything, I don't know. I know there's some, I feel like there's something, there's symbolism with like everything. It's like.

Belly Cat (27:54)
It wouldn't surprise me with this show, no, not at all.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:03)
Right.

Belly Cat (28:03)
Yeah,

and I don't know if you caught it, the.

when was that how his grandfather yeah or his dad grandfather so his great yeah his

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:15)
Yeah, I think that was grandfather.

Belly Cat (28:19)
Anyhow, I thought of two different things at the same time, but when he's like leering in towards him, when he has the box and it's starting to get kind of intense, ⁓ they mixed in some of Pennywise's ⁓ voice.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:38)
characteristics. Yes. And he was like

making weird faces.

Belly Cat (28:43)
Yeah, and a little bit of the cackle and everything. So...

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:48)
Yeah.

Belly Cat (28:51)
Yeah, I thought that just caught my attention and also ⁓ I just thought it was a cool, you know, mixed decision that they made with the dialogue.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:02)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Belly Cat (29:07)
So, mean, maybe that pays off somehow. I'm sure we're gonna, seems like we're probably gonna see his grandfather again. That was pretty open exchange, or introduction and exit, rather.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:22)
again.

Yeah, yeah.

Also, again, is that like Pennywise coming through that because that's Halloran's fear.

Belly Cat (29:37)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:38)
I always go to, you go back to the fear because...

that's you know he was trying to contain the box whatever's in the box he's trying to contain it and maybe he's scared and sounds like he was scared of his grandfather and

Belly Cat (29:51)
You what?

Pennywise he gets around, he's all over the place. must be really tired at some point. Gotta eat some kids up.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:55)
And again, like.

He does. I know. He doesn't sleep in the day. He never sleeps.

That's why I wait. He sleeps for 27 years. That's it. That's when he gets to sleep

Belly Cat (30:10)
⁓ right. Yep. Well, he needs it. Yeah. Jeez.

⁓ to find out ⁓ i was wondering do if we know who charles speak to all all

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:22)
I was thinking the same

thing. No, I don't know. It's whoever her connection is that... No, it's... No, because she talked to that person on the phone before Ingrid came and that's the person, whoever's helping her with the paperwork was trying to get him under house arrest.

Belly Cat (30:28)
I wouldn't have been Ingrid, no.

Yeah.

Yeah, maybe it's just a contact of hers and the...

you know, women's rights activism.

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:52)
Yeah, or maybe it'll be a character that we see, don't know. Women's rights

Belly Cat (30:56)
not women's rights but civil rights.

Sorry, I'm a little confused. I'm reading this book, this FDR book, his wife is an activist and I just got to that part, so I am. Yeah, activism, I gotta get myself together. There's a lot of it happening, it's good.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:00)
Women, come on.

You're getting confused with your activists.

Yeah.

All right, anything else?

Belly Cat (31:26)
Well, you brought it up already. was wondering what the story with with. Zombie Paully is. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:35)
I know, right?

I'm like, ⁓ Jesus.

Belly Cat (31:38)
the... because we haven't seen that happen to anybody else, I don't think.

Like, he died, like, well, I guess he didn't die by the hand of Pennywise. So...

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:46)
No.

No.

That's why I just think it has to do with whatever he was containing, his powers or his, whatever you want to call it. I don't know if it's powers or gifts or whatever, the clairvoyance. Maybe he used to be able to contain it and not see every single dead person. And now he's going to see all the dead people. don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Interesting.

Belly Cat (32:17)
Yeah, right here. It's a control over it. ⁓

Yeah, and then...

mentioned earlier I guess the you know where where Halloran's you know where that lockbox is and there's a lot in that scene with his mom and his grandfather that goes down

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:37)
I

think it was his grandmother, by the way. Yeah, yeah.

Belly Cat (32:40)
Grandmother, sorry.

Because...

his grandmother seems to have good intentions for him and his grandfather was like you gotta use this. He wanted to use it to deploy him or whatever.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:47)
Yes.

Yeah.

Exploit him or something exploit it. Um,

he's also jealous like the two of them can communicate

Belly Cat (33:01)
Yeah, they don't he doesn't have the gift

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:03)
He doesn't have

it now. Yeah, there's something there. And did he really?

Like, you know how they show him shooting her? Did that really happen in the past? Did he really shoot the grand-? Like, I was just like, what is happening.

Belly Cat (33:15)
Mmm.

Yeah, sure.

was pretty terrible.

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:21)
Yeah. Ugh.

Belly Cat (33:24)
What did you think of the...

first full-on reveal of Pennywise.

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:34)
Was that when he did the Sam thing? that part.

Belly Cat (33:38)
I was like, Matty like...

swinging around.

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:43)
Yeah, I thought that was good.

Also, it was like a stripper pole, but.

Belly Cat (33:48)
Yeah, it was a poll, right?

Jacqueline Hanzl (33:53)
I I liked the way they it. I like him as a Pennywise. you know, I've been, now I follow Bill Skarsgard, I think how you say it, who plays him. He's an interesting looking person and without the makeup in a way. And he, I like like his mouth, his voice. Like I like the way he plays him. I think he's good.

About the scars, the guy in succession, I'm not sure.

Belly Cat (34:16)
Well, the-

I

like one tiny nitpick. It's not a fall on hate, but when Yeah, about Pennywise when Lily she comes up against the the Gate or whatever, you know, she can't Travel to see her anymore and she's on the other side of that What are we calling that a dagger? something the

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:26)
about petty wise?

Yeah.

It's definitely a defense. Is that part of a pillar or no?

Belly Cat (34:51)
You know.

No, that's part of the star. Yeah, a piece of the star.

Jacqueline Hanzl (34:59)
The star. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Belly Cat (35:08)
yeah when we when when anyone's begins walking towards her and and then i i just i can't say when when the the take this ⁓ approach to delivering these lines because it sounds like they're saying you know and he's like all one thing being done and i and i a here and it's you know i just like

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:28)
Yes

Belly Cat (35:37)
It sounds a bit like a nursery rhyme, but it's not like that creepy and

It reminds me of the Emperor in Return of the Jedi when he starts singing. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (35:49)
God, I don't remember.

Well, guess because he's a clown, he's supposed to be like, like that, but it just doesn't work for you, I guess.

Belly Cat (35:58)
Yeah, yeah, I guess it

didn't. didn't. No, no, it didn't work. It didn't really work for me.

So yeah, I'm going to send an email to the team on the show. They'll probably, I'm sure they'll get back to me. Yeah. Oh, OK. Great idea. Who are you?

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:23)
you

I don't even think they'll get that far.

Belly Cat (36:29)
No, probably not. ⁓

But I like the, you know, it's...

The costume design is cool and...

guess you're right. It is cloud, so it's sort of, you know, carnival, over the top, kind of. Although don't really find it over the top, but it's a little like jazz hands to me sometimes. You know, just a little bit. yeah, it's a little, hey, you know, I'm over here.

Jacqueline Hanzl (36:54)
Little clowny It's a little clowny.

I guess that's the whole thing because clowns are supposed to be like kid friendly but mostly they creep kids out and I don't know I remember with IT 1990 you're like some of these lines that Tim Curry had to deliver but that was like the like like the goofy jokes bad jokes yeah well even too in this one I thought of you actually because he goes

Belly Cat (37:20)
Bad jokes, yeah. The refrigerator running joke.

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:29)
Ducking cover kids or whatever he says. But he has this good lower lip thing that I like actually. I don't know what it is. He's like ducking.

Belly Cat (37:31)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, think I just, guess as

I'm getting more into it. ⁓

Maybe it's just a more of hallmark of like what they're of the genre and what they want to lean into more with the with like the gore Because you know some of the some of the stuff is pretty pretty gory ⁓ Going back to the first episode with

Jacqueline Hanzl (37:53)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Belly Cat (38:04)
with

Yeah, Ronnie's mom like that was kind of gruesome. and then just the birth scene and then actually the the first birth scene birth scene in the first episode That same episode. So there's a pretty there's a pretty gruesome stuff. It's kind of like, you know, it's like kind of gross but the the terror intensity is a little

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:04)
Ronnie's, wait, which, yeah.

yeah, the birth scene in the first episode.

That's a tongue twister.

Belly Cat (38:35)
little jazz hands to me sometimes. It feels kind of whimsical so I don't know. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (38:36)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Sit.

Trying to find the balance didn't do it for you.

Belly Cat (38:46)
Yeah, I

I don't, it's not that I, I enjoy it, but I just feel like maybe, maybe when I write the email and tell them they should just try to, you know, maybe they'll bring it for me. I want to see it. I don't know. It's just, oh.

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:04)
Yeah, yeah.

Well, I guess now that I'm thinking about it, like the clown is supposed to be luring the kids, right? Because kids like clowns, but then it's like, okay, why does he have to be a clown? I guess because he's creepy, but like, in a way, he already lured him. It's not like he's like getting them to come closer because he's a clown. He doesn't really need to be a clown anymore. He's just creepy looking. Yeah.

Belly Cat (39:12)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We already know he has terrible intentions, so...

ramp that up, you know, and somehow, you know, bring the terror... Yeah, I guess that's the point I'm trying to make in a terribly roundabout way, is that the terror elements so far that we've seen, I think, with Pennywise, don't come off as ⁓ menacing and sort of effective to me as,

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:34)
today.

Belly Cat (39:52)
The gore gruesome stuff that's kind of like um, but that makes me squirm. I might see a little bit like Wow, that's kind of like no so Yeah

Jacqueline Hanzl (39:57)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I flip.

That must be it.

All right, well, I gotta watch episode six. ⁓

Belly Cat (40:08)
You do. Yes. Yep, we gotta catch up. We had a week off for Thanksgiving.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:09)
New week.

Thanksgiving, sickness, everything. Yes.

Belly Cat (40:17)
This the season.

Yep.

Jacqueline Hanzl (40:21)
All right. Well, thanks everyone for watching, for listening, and we will hopefully see you soon.

Belly Cat (40:30)
See you

on the next one, yeah, absolutely. Catch you later.