IT: Welcome to Derry S1 E6 In the Name of the Father, Daughter, & Evil Spirit

Jackie and Jeff delve into the sixth episode of IT: Welcome to Derry, In the Name of the Father, exploring character dynamics, humor, and the emotional struggles faced by the characters. They discuss the significance of music, the tension within the community, and Ingrid's complex relationship with her father, Pennywise. The conversation highlights the show's ability to blend humor with horror, creating a unique viewing experience while building suspense leading to a climactic confrontation.

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00:34 Love

14:42 Hate

29:34 I Can Relate

32:21 Wrap Up

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Transcript

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:08)
Hi, this is Jackie.

Jeff (00:09)
And this is Jeff.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:12)
And this is HomeBodiesOnly, where we welcome all bodies to join us as we break down and dissect HBO Max series. And this episode, we are talking about IT: Welcome to Derry Season One, Episode Six, In the Name of the Father. You know what? I did not get a summary, but let's just go into it. It's all good. All right, loves. Yeah, loves. Richie and Marge, of course.

Jeff (00:32)
Hey, it's all good. We'll work through it.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (00:42)
adorable.

The, you know, the whole eye thing that he looked at it and he helped her. I mean, he's just, they did. then he gave her the eye. Yeah. The next one was I gave her an eye patch. ⁓ I loved when Marge, Marge showed her eye to the patty cakes. The one threw up. I don't know. I always laugh. I'm not, I,

Jeff (00:51)
Yeah, they had a couple of nice scenes, the scene in the cafeteria.

Yeah, that was sweet.

That was great, that was great.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:09)
⁓ great. I don't know what it is and I'm surprised about this about myself. When people gag and stuff like that, I laugh so hard. Like in Dumb and Dumber when, Jim Carrey's character sees his friend with the woman he loves and he's like, he's like gagging. That's, and I don't love watching people throw up. It's horrible. It's disgusting. don't, but that kills me.

Jeff (01:29)
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well.

That's, that might

be up there on the Mount Rushmore gag scene. So that was, that's pretty high level. Cause as soon as you said that, I can see the scene. He's like, I can't even, I can't do it at my desk. He's moving. He's like, his gyrations are so, you know, Jim Carrey and over the top. It's great. He's like, almost like a giraffe or like a lava earth. It's a classic.

Jacqueline Hanzl (01:41)
You

Yeah.

He's like.

Yeah!

I know, I we went from

this to that, but yeah, so that was a great scene. I love Madeleine Stowe. I'm not gonna say I love Ingrid, but she is so poised and calm and I wish I could be her. Like that whole scene with Lily being in her house and discovering all this stuff and she's like.

Jeff (02:14)
Hmm ⁓

Ahem.

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:30)
It's okay dear. Like it didn't even feel like she was cuckoo. Like obviously she's cuckoo, but it... God damn. I would've been like, ⁓ yeah, that's my dad. And I'm sorry. was spazzing out.

Jeff (02:32)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like how she's playing that character.

I mean, she obviously has a very soothing voice. yeah, her character's interesting. I'm sure we'll talk more about it as we get into this here, there's... Yeah, I was kind of scratching my head a little bit at times as to like her mode of like...

Jacqueline Hanzl (02:56)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Yeah.

Jeff (03:15)
her

motivation and like where she's coming from and what she's getting at and just seeing her just discuss, you know, the relationship. We get a little bit more of the backstory about her and her father. And then we could, of course we get to the scene in 1935, see her as a young woman working as a nurse and then present day. And now we're getting like, oh, that was her.

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:39)
Yes.

at the cemetery.

Jeff (03:45)
Cemetery so it's kind of like Okay, so yeah, there's just a lot of developing here in this episode

Jacqueline Hanzl (03:52)
Yes,

yeah, and this is not directly learned from the show, but I sent Jeff a text that they had a different actress playing. They didn't do any AI. They didn't do something with like Madeleine Stowe's face for the scene from 1935, right?

Jeff (04:14)
to D, yeah,

they didn't attempt to de-age her.

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:17)
No, yeah, and I love that because I I kept looking at her and I'm like, she looks like her, but there's something a little off. Like I was like, she's not exactly her.

Jeff (04:27)
I yeah, yeah I didn't even realize that Take note of it until you sent me that image comparison

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:31)
Cough

Jeff (04:37)
it's just it just seemed like totally natural and and yeah i mean it ⁓ don't know i guess it depends on how well it's executed but i don't generally like the de-aging stuff it's still ⁓ you know there's always the uncanny valley thing happening or you can your brain knows that it's not real

Jacqueline Hanzl (04:53)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (05:02)
So, but that, yeah, the great casting and she was amazing too, the actress who played young Ingrid.

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:04)
Yeah, that's good.

She held herself just like her. Very, straight, her movements, like she, that's now that I think about it, that was definitely a huge part of the convincing that it was like her. the way she spoke, her actions with the little girl. Yeah, and I, yeah. Yeah, the same body. Yeah, it was crazy.

Jeff (05:16)
Yeah.

Yeah, her physique and everything too is just like similar. They look very similar.

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:41)
crazy. I loved the Air Force Coke. These kids have been on like the happy pills and now the Coke like...

Jeff (05:49)
I know, they're

really getting into it at a young age. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (05:54)
Yeah, ⁓ I loved Rich playing the drums. he had the brush sticks. Like I wouldn't have known brush sticks if my husband, you know, my husband's a drummer. So those are cool. Those are very cool sticks. ⁓

Jeff (06:08)
⁓

yeah, that's a jazz staple.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:11)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. I watched a little bit of after the episode that he had a drum coach, because I was like, think he looks pretty good doing it. ⁓ But obviously he had a drum coach. Because I was like, is he really like a drummer? But he's not.

Jeff (06:27)
Yeah, I thought he looked, they coached him up pretty well. Yeah, I could tell that he wasn't playing, but.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:34)
Right. Because

it was a little bit too exaggerated maybe, right? A little too much.

Jeff (06:39)
Yeah,

well, just looked unnatural, you know. But that's, you know, unless you're somebody who goes to see live drummers a lot or you're a musician, you probably wouldn't notice. But he did a great job. mean, there's been a lot worse captured on film.

Jacqueline Hanzl (06:42)
you

All right. Yeah. No, Yeah.

Yeah, yes, definitely. You know, good thing he had those drumsticks in his pocket. You never know.

Jeff (07:08)
That's right, it's his calling card.

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:09)
I love the black spot. mean, it's cool. I was completely anxious the entire time. Just more and more people coming there and I was like, something's not... The black spot is the name of the place that they were at. Cause you look confused. They're calling it that. Yeah. They call it that. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Cause when they said it in the show, they said it kind of fast and I always have closed captions on so I could see what they're saying. And they didn't say it a lot.

Jeff (07:24)
I was like, what's the... I didn't know that. Okay, that's cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (07:39)
and I was like, my God, there's so many people there. Like, I just knew, I knew something bad was going to happen. I was like, there's way too many people there. Way too many people now know about this. Something's not going to, you know, before even, ⁓ the ex-chief there said, we got a tip. You know, before that, I was like, ⁓ there's so many people. Okay.

Jeff (08:04)
Yeah, yeah, could feel the tension building there. was like, ⁓ so this is going to come to a head here.

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:08)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. All right, those are my loves.

Jeff (08:14)
Okay, well I love the way episode opened with the black and white. especially in this time period you know in the 60s so that that looked really great I thought and Do they start the episode out with the

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:25)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (08:35)
scene back in 1935. think there was maybe... I don't know if they went right into that. There might have been something before it. But anyway, the black and white, the choice to go black and white there, I thought was really cool.

Jacqueline Hanzl (08:49)
wait a minute.

⁓ shoot. I don't think they start, cause now that I'm thinking about it, I think we see the album. Don't we see the album before? We might've seen a little bit, it might've went back and forth. Like we might've seen a little bit with Mabel.

Jeff (09:04)
Yeah.

I guess... Yeah, sorry to interrupt the...

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:09)
and then went to the...

Jeff (09:13)
I'm just thinking it's after the opening credits that went to that scene. I love the black and white. then so we get that whole scene and then.

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:18)
Yeah, might've, it might've.

Jeff (09:27)
We get that awesome cut with Roy Orbison, Runnin' Scared. He's the undisputed king of 60s ballads. I love Roy Orbison and that's one of my favorite songs and I love that song. ⁓ It's just incredible.

so...

there's like, town citizens walking around with baseball bats and like, you know, everybody's getting like, yeah, linchmoff style. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (09:55)
Lynch mob. Terrible.

Jeff (10:01)
And I'm just still continuing to love the Dick Halloran character. I just love that guy. Chris Chalk, he's just one of my favorite characters in this. He's just awesome in every scene. He's like so, I don't know, I just really dig his vibe and what he's bringing to the show. Such a great watch.

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:09)
Hmm.

He's such a good actor. He makes you so, like I feel so uncomfortable for him. Like he has to be so uncomfortable in his body with the things. And again, I was watching that after show after the episode and they were the directors, I guess, were talking about like, first of all, the black and white scene. They said that it was like,

Jeff (10:36)
Yeah

Jacqueline Hanzl (10:54)
one of the only scenes they shot where there's like basically like lot of long holds on people they said like instead of switching and they really liked that they also really wanted to make it look genuine ⁓ and old i guess and ⁓ they talked about Dick Halloran like that

Jeff (11:02)
Hmm.

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:13)
you feel like feverish while you're watching it or like you feel him. feel, I did, I felt like I could feel what he probably feels and just so uncomfortable in his own skin.

Jeff (11:24)
Yeah, which

scene are you talking about there with him?

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:27)
with him, ⁓ just any time he'd be like, kind of freaking out, think, know, like sweating or you'd see like things go blurry around him. ⁓ Even just, I felt like any time he'd like get up and he'd look out at the people and he'd be even drinking, like he just had to be uncomfortable all the time.

Jeff (11:33)
Yeah.

Yeah, well,

one of the other scenes that I loved was the scene with Dick and Leroy. You know, I guess it's...

Jacqueline Hanzl (11:53)
Be right.

Jeff (11:59)
After Dick shows up at the clubhouse, the Air Force clubhouse, it's the morning after. Leroy walks in and he's,

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:08)
But they're in, I think, Dick's room, like actual not the clubhouse or whatever, right? I think so.

Jeff (12:15)
Alright yeah, they're not sorry

that's different location. I guess we didn't see how he got there, but it was I it was the next it was the next day and the first the first time that that Leroy saw him since he disappeared in the tunnels and

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:19)
Yeah.

Yes.

Jeff (12:32)
You know, we get some more information just about, what Dick, experiences when he has these visions and, his grandmother, explained to him, well, this is how you can manage that, you know, by putting, contain it. And, he's just great to watch in the show. And those guys were...

Jacqueline Hanzl (12:43)
it.

Jeff (12:50)
great in that scene. And of course, Halloran gets, pretty, I guess in terms of the ranking officer thing, he gets like straight up belligerent with Leroy and is like, you know, F you dude, you know, I'm going through some, you don't have any idea what's going on here.

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:03)
Yeah, he doesn't give her. Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah. No idea. He's

like, ⁓ I'm here. Yeah.

Jeff (13:12)
I also love the... I like their, like, some of the editing, you know, the show is cool, like how they... they just have some cool beats with editing, I think. Like, it's just subtle things, but even,

I think it's the scene with Marge and Richie in the cafeteria and she does the eye gross out thing and then she like eats the cherry out of her drink and then they cut to the next scene. I like it, they're like musical transitions to me. And then we get, I think that's the scene, yeah, we get

Pretty Little Angel Eyes Which is like really cool the Curtis Lee tune, you know, so yeah, they spent some money on music probably for this episode

Jacqueline Hanzl (13:48)
⁓ yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

See ya.

Yeah.

Jeff (13:56)
And then, they're on the back roads with the cruisers heading to the Air Force hang out. So that was a cool sequence. I love that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:05)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (14:08)
And then also the, we talked about it a little bit I guess, but the scene with Lily and Ingrid, was like amazing.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:13)
Mmm.

Jeff (14:17)
And that was intriguing because towards the end there, I mean, the whole scene had me drawn in, but the additional intrigue for me at least was, Ingrid asking Lily to come with her tonight. So I don't think we...

get to that in this episode. We see her at the end of the episode in costume, but we don't know where or what she's doing.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:35)
Yeah.

Jeff (14:39)
So yeah, those are... Yep.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:40)
Those are your loves?

Okay. I mean, the hates I have, I hate when LeRoy hits Will.

Jeff (14:47)
Yeah, of course, I know. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (14:49)
I hate that part. ⁓

Yeah, and Charlotte leaving, like that was a big deal.

Jeff (15:00)
very believable i thought with Leroy cuz i thought it was played really well and that he just is really out of sorts and confused and not really in control of his emotions yeah he's having a some real struggles around all this stuff with his family

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:00)
And then I hit

Yes. Mm-hmm. And he's not used to that, especially. Yeah.

Jeff (15:21)
Ethically with his job all those things and then you have the the wrinkle of Charlotte's situation and sequestering, I Forget his name

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:29)
Mm-hmm.

⁓ Hank? Yeah.

Jeff (15:32)
the ⁓ Hank yes sorry

so he's a little out of sorts to say the least very believable for me he would just lose his cool and something like that happens

Jacqueline Hanzl (15:38)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. he never had the fear for himself or his life. has now he has the fear for his family, which he probably never felt before because he was a military guy and always had them in safe place. ⁓ And I just, I do love how she was like, you put your hands on our boy. Like she's just like, I mean, I don't, I hope that was realistic. I hate to say this for back then.

Jeff (15:55)
Yeah.

Right.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:14)
for a wife standing up to their husband about that but they have a different kind of relationship than a lot of these, I think, couples from back then. She's very strong, very headstrong.

Jeff (16:28)
Yeah, yeah, she's, she doesn't come across as your typical, mid-century American housewife. Yeah, that's like, you know.

Jacqueline Hanzl (16:32)
Housewife. No.

No. I hated the lynch mob. I just hated that whole thing.

Like I was uneasy when, you know, when at the black spot and everybody's like starting to come. And like I said, more people were coming. I was like, something's not good, but that I didn't expect. And So of course I hated that part. So it'll be interesting that ended that way. So we'll see how it starts.

Jeff (16:43)
Yeah.

Yeah,

So that all begins in the bar, the town bar.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:01)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (17:01)
all the whiteys drinking booze and eating pickled eggs and ⁓ I mean, I like a pickled egg, I'm not gonna lie, but not in this show. ⁓ don't, yeah, they're good, but yeah, I don't wanna see people eating pickled eggs in this show because of...

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:04)
The white, yep. God.

I've never had one.

No, and I think that was another

funky transition. I think they went from something kind of gross to that him sticking his hand in the jar, right?

Jeff (17:27)
Yeah,

yeah, yeah, I do like that tone that they take with things. It's a little tongue in cheek, it's kind of, it doesn't take itself too seriously.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:33)
Yeah.

it's good.

Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff (17:41)
So and the sheriff, right? He's been relieved of his post.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:48)
So he's like, F it, let's do it. Mm-hmm.

Jeff (17:49)
So yeah, he kind of throws that in the face of, don't remember,

probably those guys that were in his office a few episodes ago, or not in his office, but they were busting his chops about, re-electing him, based on what their agenda is and what he plans to do or the conflict they're in.

Jacqueline Hanzl (17:56)
Yeah.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

All right, what hates, what hates do you have?

Jeff (18:13)
Well, don't necessarily hate it, but I found it to be

Kinda gruesome icky, you know, when IT ate Mabel. I was like, I was like, ⁓ man.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:22)
⁓ I know. And ⁓ it was terrible.

see, but that's my point here is they didn't show it. You heard it. You saw the blood. That is the best.

Jeff (18:35)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:39)
Like, you don't... Yeah, it was... Again. Yeah.

Jeff (18:43)
cool that's a good point I mean I thought

about that because yeah we've there's a lot of gore that we have seen but that's obviously an example of something being terrifying and we don't see it but it was definitely terrifying with the crunching and the the effects and everything and yeah I just like this poor kid like

Jacqueline Hanzl (18:58)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (19:06)
That's so terrible.

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:08)
And that,

well that was too, she's like, let's go, I know she like somehow let go of her hand, but she doesn't seem overly concerned. I don't know. I mean, she was when the door shut, I think, well, a lot has to do with her seeing him as her dad probably too, like Ingrid, you know. She lets go of Mabel's hand, because somehow Mabel, you know, not on purpose, but.

Jeff (19:17)
.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah, what's going on there with the Ingrid stuff because...

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:35)
Okay.

Jeff (19:40)
She obviously takes an interest in this Mabel because she overhears her or she knows that she's going to the basement in this hospital and She's talking about seeing this clown, right? Pennywise So... But, but... Yeah, to... She's like, well, can you show me? Or, you know, wants to escort her down there. But why...

Jacqueline Hanzl (19:53)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's what peaks her interest.

Jeff (20:09)
Is it because she can't make a connection to him and she can't see him? Somehow?

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:16)
I think, but then she does. I, well, I think that.

Jeff (20:20)
I don't know, know, I'm wondering about that.

Jacqueline Hanzl (20:24)
I think that

because she heard her say Pennywise, and that's her dad, that's what drew her in. I think this is all completely has to do with her dad. Completely. And just wanting him back and believing that he is somehow trapped and being like caught and possessed or whatever by this thing and that if she can just help him see.

and he can come back to her. I think she thinks he's not really dead, he's just possessed, and that she can get him to come back.

Jeff (20:55)
Hmm.

So, so his, but his, cause I don't understand it obviously, is Pennywise her dad and they're the one in the same or her?

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:13)
I don't, that's

what my question is. I don't, that's what I don't get. Why is IT taking the form? That was in my thoughts and questions. Like, why is IT taking the form of Pennywise? Why? What does Bob Gray?

Jeff (21:18)
I don't either.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:29)
Do we know how Bob Gray died too? Do we know how her dad died? I don't remember.

Jeff (21:33)
She mentioned something

about it in that he was taken away. Let's see.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:40)
Taken away. Yeah.

taken away from her. But I don't know, I thought she meant just that he died, so that he was taken away.

Jeff (21:48)
Yeah, I thought I made a note about that. Yeah, she... ⁓ yeah, then he was taken from me. The carnival moved on, but I stayed in Derry. I felt drawn.

Jacqueline Hanzl (21:52)
Yeah, that's the part I don't get.

Mm-hmm. Taken from me, I really think means he died, obviously. But yeah. Yeah, that's what I wanna know. Why him? Why him?

Jeff (22:08)
Okay, okay.

Yeah,

yeah, so then Mabel dies, we see Pennywise, And we get the scene where he comes up from the ground and she's having a vision of her dad.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:24)
But then you turn, yeah.

And it's him. And it's him. And

it's her dad. His voice was so dopey. He's like, it's papa. I'm like, what was going, what? No. Sorry, I did not. Why does he talk like a clown when he's a person? I was like, don't, no, no. I was a little disappointed in that.

Jeff (22:41)
Yeah, I don't understand that either.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's a little,

it's a little dopey. Yep, I agree. I'm not sure, you know. I was like, I was like, okay. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (22:55)
How they decided on that one. What's Bob Gray's voice?

And he kind of was scary as a person. I was like, what the hell is happening in his hair? There's like one strand of hair over his face and he's like...

Jeff (23:14)
Yeah, he's a little disheveled. Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:17)
They could have made him look a little more appealing. Like, I mean, as a dad even, you know, like.

Jeff (23:22)
together.

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:26)
That was my dad. He, you know, he want to see the dad in him and the kindness where you're like, ⁓ that's a dad. It's like, no, I'd be like, ⁓ go back to Pennywise form because.

Jeff (23:38)
Yeah, I mean, you know, it seems to me it's like he became.

Or he is Pennywise because he looks like him. So... But... is... I'm well...

Jacqueline Hanzl (23:47)
Well, yeah, yeah.

Yeah,

why is he the one? There must be something, hopefully we find out, like that Bob, that Bob Gray guy, or as Pennywise, he must have been in, did he? Because we-

Jeff (24:06)
Yeah, because she

says that her dad played a clown in the carnival, And name was Pennywise, the clown. Okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:16)
Yes, and he loved children and he loved... Yeah, yeah, yeah. why,

yeah, so why did IT choose this form?

Cause he could look like anything. IT could look like anything. IT could look like a clown. why is it Pennywise? Yeah, we got to find that out. And something must have happened with that person. But like way before, way before that was when the star fell from the sky or no. Yeah, way before that, sorry. Yeah. Way before that the sky, the stars fell from the sky or whatever with this alien or whatever it is. So.

Jeff (24:45)
Yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:52)
yeah, that was my thoughts questions.

Jeff (24:53)
Yeah,

Jacqueline Hanzl (24:55)
I have, when she says she talked to her dad for hours, like she's telling Lily that, was that really him? Or was that IT? Basically trying to get her to be an ally. And she also seems to have no fear. She's very calm. She doesn't have fear.

Jeff (25:09)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yep.

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:14)
And then, I believe Ingrid called in the tip on Hank Grogan. I think, I think it was her. Yeah, because the chief Bowers says, we got a call, we got a tip from a woman, we got a call from a woman, he says. We know it can't be Charlotte. The only other.

Jeff (25:22)
Mmm.

Really?

Right.

E-R-I-A-M

Jacqueline Hanzl (25:42)
The other other woman who knew where he was was Ingrid. So that's what I'm trying to figure all this out. Like Ingrid having, is it really that huge of a plan? Like her having the affair with Hank was on purpose so that she could somehow corner him so that they distract him away from, I don't know. I think it's all about her and her father. That is her, that's it. That's what it comes down to. She wants her dad back.

Jeff (25:48)
Hmm.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it be.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:11)
she's effed up from losing him.

Jeff (26:13)
Yeah,

yeah, that's well, she's she obviously is, looking for opportunities to to find him or reconnect with him or however you want to describe it. It's very excited. You know, when Lily walks into the house and she says, of course it was you.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:24)
Mm-hmm.

She's so, yeah, yeah, yeah,

she's like. ⁓

Jeff (26:34)
So she

can't...

find her way back to him for whatever reason.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:39)
Right.

Jeff (26:40)
⁓

Yeah, really cool.

Jacqueline Hanzl (26:43)
but

I had looked back

at the episode

back when we were talking about it, think, but I wanted to make sure when Ingrid meets up for the first time with Lily in the diner and how Lily says she wants to go down to the sewers, I was like, does Ingrid encourage her or discourage her? She actually discourages her. Cause I was like, I wonder if she encourages her because she wants, you know, to find Pennywise, but she actually discourages her. She says, do not go down there. So I was like, okay. Like I was checking on that. Cause I was like, is she trying to, I thought that she was trying to get.

Jeff (27:06)
okay.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:15)
for a connection with him at that point.

Jeff (27:16)
trying to convince

Lily to do that but she wasn't so there's not necessarily continuity in that way.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:19)
She didn't, no. No,

nope. do you wanna go into your thoughts and questions. I do have a couple I can relates but I don't know.

Jeff (27:25)
Okay.

⁓

I guess, well, I didn't really write down too many questions for this one. I'm wondering, of course, where Ingrid is going dressed up.

Jacqueline Hanzl (27:43)
Well, she got this lynch mob to go and, to go and attack the black spot, the clubhouse.

Jeff (27:49)
she made

that call. So I'm wondering where she's going tonight and she invited Lily to go and obviously Lily hightailed it out of there. was like this, know, a loon

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:09)
She's like, ah! She's just screaming her head off in the street. I'm like, I feel you, girl. I'd be screaming my head off too.

Jeff (28:15)
Yeah,

and then obviously we get the big cliffhanger at the Air Force hangout where you got all these goons that showed up and masked goons.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:26)
That's what saying. Yeah, I know. And she got that. She really, if she did the tip, she got them to go there. So that distracts them. So is she going to go to Neibolt Street and try to go into the sewers so nobody can go after her? Like her husband's out. ⁓ I don't know. This just seems like such a grand scheme. I don't know. ⁓

Jeff (28:43)
⁓

yeah, no, they're doing a great job building all of this, I think Are all the kids at the Air Force hangout? They were all there, right? ⁓ right. Lily was not there. Okay. So that's what we have. Ingrid and Lily and Pennywise.

Jacqueline Hanzl (28:52)
⁓ Except for Lily. Except for Lily.

Jeff (29:08)
and everybody else is going to be at the Air Force Base beating the shit out of each other.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:12)
Yeah, and Lily has that thingy. The weapon.

Jeff (29:17)
The dagger space dagger.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:19)
Yeah, the only...

She cut Ingrid's hand with it, so...

Jeff (29:26)
She did,

yeah, we saw the wound, she, yeah.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:31)
Yeah, I don't know. We'll see tonight I guess. I Can Relates? When Lilly's looking at that album, that like wedding album or whatever it is of Ingrid's, that's exactly what my grandparents' wedding album looks like. So my dad was born in 1934. I'm not sure, I don't remember what year.

Jeff (29:35)
What are your... I know, I'm...

Wow.

Jacqueline Hanzl (29:55)
My grandparents got married, but...

It was probably like 1930, something like that, or like late 20s, I bet. And that's what it was. Those black pages, those corner, I don't know what they're called, like to hold the photo in place, all obviously black and white. But that's exactly what it looked like. Like I was almost like, oh yeah, I know. I'm like, oh wait. Yeah, like I'm so used to, cause I used to look through their wedding album and stuff. So that was cool.

Jeff (30:16)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, the film of that time, even when we were kids, you'd still have those film developing kiosks, things in the parking lots of stores and stuff. So you'd get film. But actually,

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:45)
Yeah. Yep.

Jeff (30:48)
so actually I never thought about til this moment and so the obviously they weren't developing pictures there that's just like it was that's a depot are we could pick stuff up and drop it off i guess what that's because everything was small little hot

Jacqueline Hanzl (30:58)
right, right, right. yeah, no,

they weren't. Like CVS, we, I mean, I worked at CVS. CVS, you could do pictures, get your pictures developed at CVS. We were sending them out. We were sending them out somewhere, so.

Jeff (31:08)
Yeah, but

the film anyhow like you're saying, yeah, I totally can relate to that as well because you know, family photo albums like that, the photo paper from that time just looks different from the photo paper that was around, you know, when we were younger in the 80s. So.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:14)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That was cool. I can relate when Ronnie says, I'm just tired. Like she just looks so tired. She's like tired of being scared. I'm like, I'm tired too girl. Damn. I'm freaking tired too.

Jeff (31:38)
Yeah.

Yeah, I was feeling a little

situational ⁓ stress in this episode at times I was like, God, ⁓ can we go to the diner and get a cheeseburger and a Coke or something? Like, come on. But I guess we get a little bit of, we get the Air Force Coke and the cool jazz performances.

Jacqueline Hanzl (31:48)
you

You

At the clubhouse. Yeah.

Jeff (32:11)
Richie sits in with the band, so. ⁓

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:13)
Yep.

And the two of them dancing. Marge and Richie. It was cute. Cute. Yeah.

Jeff (32:16)
Yeah.

Yeah, that was great.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:24)
Alright, I think that's all I got. That's all I got.

Jeff (32:25)
Cool. Yeah,

me too. Great episode. We're caught up now, so...

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:34)
Finally.

Jeff (32:34)
That's good.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:35)
Alright, alright everybody. Well, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching.

Jeff (32:37)
Yeah.

All right, catch you later. Bye.

Jacqueline Hanzl (32:43)
Bye.